Brad Treliving needs to go

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

As a pretentious dick I take offense to PepsiFree being called a pretentious dick. Pepsi has a long way to go to become a pretentious dick. Don't worry Pep, you're well on your way, but still have some work to do!

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[timbit]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

The GMs are mostly an old boys club, promoted through cronyism. There are many here on CP that would be better than Treliving I have no doubt

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I have no doubt, whatsoever, that you are 100 % wrong.

You may not like him or some of his decisions, but don’t ever believe that someone on this board knows more about managing an NHL team than him.

It’s disrespectful and simply not true.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by timbit

I have no doubt, whatsoever, that you are 100 % wrong.

You may not like him or some of his decisions, but don’t ever believe that someone on this board knows more about managing an NHL team than him.

It’s disrespectful and simply not true.

And this is what's wrong in the NHL. Old boys club of recycled GMs and coaches because no one else from the outside can "do a better job" lol let's just never give anyone else a shot.

Maloney and Treliving get no results in Arizona. So, lets bring them to Calgary and no results.. they will get fired here and find a job elsewhere. Very little accountability if any.

[Enoch Root]

Lol

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by keenan87

And this is what's wrong in the NHL. Old boys club of recycled GMs and coaches because no one else from the outside can "do a better job" lol let's just never give anyone else a shot.

Right, I'm sure some jerk on a message board with no experience and no training in sports management can do better than any of the people who have dedicated their lives to it as a profession.

I find myself quoting Moneyball again (the book, not the movie):

That's not to say that there are not good baseball executives and bad baseball executives, or good baseball scouts and bad baseball scouts. It's just that they aren't very well sorted out.

The same is true of hockey.

Whatever you say against Brad Treliving, he isn't recycled – he had exactly one AGM gig and then one GM gig – nor is he a member of the old boys' club, never having played in the NHL or even worked for an NHL club before Phoenix went out of their way to hire him.

Would you prefer a GM like Jay Feaster, who never even played the game? Because that's the next step after hiring a GM who had most of his previous management experience (and all his playing time) outside the NHL. But I seem to recall him being lambasted on this very board because he was ‘not a hockey guy’. Gary Bettman, too, for that matter.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Right, I'm sure some jerk on a message board with no experience and no training in sports management can do better than any of the people who have dedicated their lives to it as a profession.

There are thousands of people on this forum. For you to say no one is competent enough to do the job is just laughable. You also have no clue what anyone's experience is lol

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Right, I'm sure some jerk on a message board with no experience and no training in sports management can do better than any of the people who have dedicated their lives to it as a profession.

Not many NHL GM’s have dedicated their lives to the profession. A whole bunch seemed to have started as players and then learned it later in their career. Or started in another field and then moved to hockey.

It is very different than other professions. A physician is someone who has dedicated their life, their adult life at least, to their profession.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by keenan87

There are thousands of people on this forum. For you to say no one is competent enough to do the job is just laughable. You also have no clue what anyone's experience is lol

But you do? Then name someone on this board who is qualified to be an NHL GM. Go ahead, I'm waiting.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Not many NHL GM’s have dedicated their lives to the profession. A whole bunch seemed to have started as players and then learned it later in their career. Or started in another field and then moved to hockey.

Those who started as players dedicated years of their lives to learning the game from the inside, which certainly counts as a form of preparation. Of those who didn't, some were scouts from the time they left minor hockey, some have formal training in sports management, some (like Treliving) learnt the trade on the job by managing in the minor leagues.

You will not find one general manager in the history of the NHL who stepped in off the street and just started doing the job.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by keenan87

There are thousands of people on this forum. For you to say no one is competent enough to do the job is just laughable. You also have no clue what anyone's experience is lol

To be fair, whether there actually is someone qualified or not, the people who say things like “someone here could do a better job” are 100%, without fail, the type of people who couldn’t manage a 6 year old’s soccer team.

It just doesn’t speak well to the quality of candidates when you and Theo are the only types promoting their existence.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

But you do? Then name someone on this board who is qualified to be an NHL GM. Go ahead, I'm waiting.

Umm, I never claimed to know anyone or say there must be someone. My argument was that just because this is a message board doesn't mean there aren't some very successful people with transferable skills (believe it or not, there are skills in other jobs that are similar to managing a hockey team). That discounting everyone not in the hockey world is a reason why you barely see anyone new get an opportunity.

Your argument is that its impossible. Because apparently no one can ever shift industries or learn this business - eben though it happens all the time in corporate world.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

To be fair, whether there actually is someone qualified or not, the people who say things like “someone here could do a better job” are 100%, without fail, the type of people who couldn’t manage a 6 year old’s soccer team.

It just doesn’t speak well to the quality of candidates when you and Theo are the only types promoting their existence.

Yayy.. your typical post to collect some thanks lol hopefully you will get some!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Umm, I never claimed to know anyone or say there must be someone.

Then you had no business calling it ‘laughable’ to say there isn't anyone.

Your argument is that its impossible. Because apparently no one can ever shift industries or learn this business - eben though it happens all the time in corporate world.

Apparently, according to you, people can move into a new industry with no technical experience and take over as chief operating officer on the first day on the job.

Yeah, I'll keep on arguing against that, thanks.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Yayy.. your typical post to collect some thanks lol hopefully you will get some!

Do people regularly thank posts that are dismissive of your point? That should be a tell.

Only joking of course. As one of the few here qualified to be GM of an NHL team, I appreciate your advocacy.

PepsiFree 2023.

[blender]

Originally Posted by keenan87

There are thousands of people on this forum. For you to say no one is competent enough to do the job is just laughable. You also have no clue what anyone's experience is lol

Maybe saying no one is too much, but let's be honest, how many people on this board have experience managing a 600 million dollar business with an 80 million dollar payroll?

I'll wait to tip my hat to anyone who IS actually qualified.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by blender

Maybe saying no one is too much, but let's be honest, how many people on this board have experience managing a 600 million dollar business with an 80 million dollar payroll?

I'll wait to tip my hat to anyone who IS actually qualified.

That's fair, probably not too many but I am sure there are some gems on this board who are very capable.

Additionally, this is a Calgary fanbase forum. Some executives of large energy companies could certainly approach the type of credibility you mentioned above.

Or, all of us are just 16 year old teens pretending to be the 1%.

[blankall]

Could people please stop squabbling in this thread and watch the game instead.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Those who started as players dedicated years of their lives to learning the game from the inside, which certainly counts as a form of preparation. Of those who didn't, some were scouts from the time they left minor hockey, some have formal training in sports management, some (like Treliving) learnt the trade on the job by managing in the minor leagues.

You will not find one general manager in the history of the NHL who stepped in off the street and just started doing the job.

A lot of real estate from where you started (dedicating your life to a profession) to where you ended up (not stepping in off the street.

IMO NHL GM’s are different from other major pro sports and I don’t think it’s a positive.

[FanIn80]

Are people here really arguing with each other over whether or not they'd be a better NHL GM than an ACTUAL NHL GM?

Just like it doesn't matter how many years you've played in a beer league, the literal worst player in the NHL would skate circles around you, the same goes for your hockey pools and being an NHL GM.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Are people here really arguing with each other over whether or not they'd be a better NHL GM than an ACTUAL NHL GM?

Just like it doesn't matter how many years you've played in a beer league, the literal worst player in the NHL would skate circles around you, the same goes for your hockey pools and being an NHL GM.

You are right - because becoming an NHL GM is dependent on pure skill and there is no nepotism right?

Apples to oranges when you compare being an NHL GM vs NHL player.