Brad Treliving needs to go

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

And that's Brad's fault...every trade has Canadian teams rumored...its called clickbait

Tuch had 33 points in 56 games last year (would be 4th on the Flames in scoring) and you don't even mention him, also a hometown hero

You seem more than a little biased here

I’ve never claimed to be unbiased.

I’ve been arguing since the summer that we should’ve made an offer they couldn’t refuse.

That didn’t happen - I’m over it.

I’m still allowed to vehemently disagree with how this was handled, and see no reason it shouldn’t be considered further evidence that Try Hard is not up to the job.

[Dan403]

Worst. Thread. Ever.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Some pretty flimsy stuff here, Theo.

I think we just hold management to different standards. I want a championship caliber team. I've been a fan since I was 6, 1989. The cup win is my earliest hockey memory. Since then, we've either been terrible, mediocre or choke artists in every year except 2004 and 2015. I'm sick of it and losing interest quite honestly. You seem to be okay with being okay and want to give management the benefit of the doubt despite a large sample size of failure. Whatever man, you do you.

Funny giving credit to BT for Gio though.

Also interesting citing ok signings like frolik and talbot... No big wins really, just acceptable but even then resulted in no asset accumulation really in the end. And really, any value there was totally negated by catastrophically stupid moves moves like Neal, Brouwer and Raymond. We still have brouwer's cap hit. The Neal signing cost us a long term deal on Tkachuk that will likely nuke any trade value he has by the time Boston finally gets around to dealing with it.

Seems to be working this year lol...

Did you watch this team in 2001/02?

[TheChief]

I'm still mad going on two days...This is upper managements fault just as much as Brads. How is this guy still employed?



If we are in a playoff spot around the deadline all I will say is this...Brad Upper Management better make something happen, they better make a big splash. We better not go into the playoffs with this same group that has proven to choke time and time again when it matters.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Worst. Thread. Ever.

That award goes to "The Flames have held onto Sam Bennett TOO LONG".

[Number 39]

I don’t hate Treliving….He’s just Meh. Personally I think the Flames should approach things more like the Winnipeg Jets. I now live in Ontario but I spent most of my life in Calgary (it will always be home in case anyone thinks I’m being harsh about Calgary) but I think the team needs to be realistic. Build though the draft. Understand that Calgary isn’t a sexy destination for most players (unless the team is winning). Draft, Draft Draft. Stop chasing tier 1 UFA’s as most aren't signing here.

Pick your spots and then trade your capital (built from the draft)to get key pieces under control for a reasonable period of time. If a player wants out/wont resign thats fine but deal them and recoup the draft capital. Its a slow and steady process. Signing the best UFA who will sign with the Flames usually hasn’t been a recipe for success anyways.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Didn't realize Gio is still on the Flames.

The premise of Theo’s point is that the Flames haven’t had a true no. 1 defence man for 8 years. If he meant they do not have one today, then he made a poor attempt at pointing that out and his assumption is a little undercooked in my opinion.

I would argue the Flames had a No.1 D for seven years of Treliving’s tenure. Did he draft Gio, no. Did he resign him in 2015? Yes, he did. Was Treliving the GM when Gio won a Norris trophy in 2019, yes he was. Did Treliving build the team around Gio that helped him win that award? Yes, he did.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I think we just hold management to different standards. I want a championship caliber team. I've been a fan since I was 6, 1989. The cup win is my earliest hockey memory. Since then, we've either been terrible, mediocre or choke artists in every year except 2004 and 2015. I'm sick of it and losing interest quite honestly. You seem to be okay with being okay and want to give management the benefit of the doubt despite a large sample size of failure. Whatever man, you do you.

Funny giving credit to BT for Gio though.

Also interesting citing ok signings like frolik and talbot... No big wins really, just acceptable but even then resulted in no asset accumulation really in the end. And really, any value there was totally negated by catastrophically stupid moves moves like Neal, Brouwer and Raymond. We still have brouwer's cap hit. The Neal signing cost us a long term deal on Tkachuk that will likely nuke any trade value he has by the time Boston finally gets around to dealing with it.

Seems to be working this year lol...

Did you watch this team in 2001/02?

Mason Raymond was a catastrophic signing? Tough crowd.

I’m touched by your tale of a six year old boy’s memories of the cup winning Flames. Thank you for sharing.

Take a look around the league and tell me who’s knocking it out of the park. Especially from the Canadian teams.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by TheChief

If we are in a playoff spot around the deadline all I will say is this...Brad Upper Management better make something happen, they better make a big splash. We better not go into the playoffs with this same group that has proven to choke time and time again when it matters.

or what? not sure that online ultimatums by a couple of fans go very far with professional sports franchises.

and I HOPE they will make something happen but if they don't then life will go on.

[Roof-Daddy]

Just imagine how active this thread will be if the Flames play Vegas in the playoffs, Eichel comes back just in time for it, and leads them to a series win over us looking like an elite 1C still.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Just imagine how active this thread will be if the Flames play Vegas in the playoffs, Eichel comes back just in time for it, and leads them to a series win over us looking like an elite 1C still.

Honestly with how some people who post here can't even derive any happiness from the team getting points in nine straight games out of ten I bet some posters would be happy if that happens.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

The GMs are mostly an old boys club, promoted through cronyism. There are many here on CP that would be better than Treliving I have no doubt

Seems I struck a nerve lol. You sound like Brad's your dad or something lol. Sorry I insulted daddy haha

The fact that you see income as being a reflection of intelligence or capability is pretty telling though.

The fact that you think there are many here on CP who would be better than Treliving is actually more telling.

There is at least some correlation between income and intelligence.


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[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Mason Raymond was a catastrophic signing? Tough crowd.



I’m touched by your tale of a six year old boy’s memories of the cup winning Flames. Thank you for sharing.



Take a look around the league and tell me who’s knocking it out of the park. Especially from the Canadian teams.

Well, you're just going to nitpick on a message board over your hero Brad Treliving, there's not much point debating this further. You are satisfied with the direction of this team, I am not.

Enjoy the start, I'm sure it is 100% reflective of what we will see at the end if the season. Can't wait until lindholm and Mangiapane combine for 120 goals and Markstrom tops 50 wins...should be a wild time. It'll be cool seeing the flames set team records all over the place. After that, I'm sure 16 straight wins is pretty much inevitable

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Well, you're just going to nitpick on a message board over your hero Brad Treliving, there's not much point debating this further. You are satisfied with the direction of this team, I am not.

Enjoy the start, I'm sure it is 100% reflective of what we will see at the end if the season. Can't wait until lindholm and Mangiapane combine for 120 goals and Markstrom tops 50 wins...should be a wild time. It'll be cool seeing the flames set team records all over the place. After that, I'm sure 16 straight wins is pretty much inevitable

If you can’t enjoy the start and have to resort to calling people Boston Pizza fans or saying Treliving is their hero because they don’t take your complaints seriously, what really is the point?

I’m sure some people on this board could manage a team, lots of smart folks. You’re a 40 year old who can barely manage to keep your composure on a message board as a fan. I think it’s probably fair to appeal to authority here and say even Treliving might have a better handle on this team.

Doesn’t take much in the way of smarts to complain. That stuff is easy.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The fact that you think there are many here on CP who would be better than Treliving is actually more telling.

There is at least some correlation between income and intelligence.


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You're right, it's much more likely that Brad would be a better GM than 99.9% of people here.... because reasons I guess.

Yikes kinda scary that this is the best we can do apparently. Not much hope in things improving ever, given his body of work. Here's to 30 more years lol

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you can’t enjoy the start and have to resort to calling people Boston Pizza fans or saying Treliving is their hero because they don’t take your complaints seriously, what really is the point?



I’m sure some people on this board could manage a team, lots of smart folks. You’re a 40 year old who can barely manage to keep your composure on a message board as a fan. I think it’s probably fair to appeal to authority here and say even Treliving might have a better handle on this team.



Doesn’t take much in the way of smarts to complain. That stuff is easy.

I don't really care bud, you're one of the most pretentious people here. You're constantly trying to paint yourself as the enlightened voice of reason on everything, doesn't matter the subject.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I don't really care bud, you're one of the most pretentious people here. You're constantly trying to paint yourself as the enlightened voice of reason on everything, doesn't matter the subject.

I’ve never thought PepsiFree was pretentious.

Difference of opinion, I guess.

[ben voyonsdonc]

There are lots of reasons to be frustrated with Treliving - the poor coaching hires, the bad free agent signings, and a few questionable trades. However, the Eichel lack of trade isn't one...at least not to me. Treliving certainly made a push for him. The problem is you can't force a team to make a trade with you. If the Sabres' needs weren't met by what the Flames could offer, it isn't the Flames' fault. The Sabres wanted a young, up and coming player who was cheap and cost-controlled plus a good prospect and a first round pick. The Flames had the prospect and the first-rounder but not the cost controlled young NHL player.

The Flames couldn't force the Sabres to take Monahan who is 2 years older, 1.6 million more expensive and has 3 years less left on his contract than Tuch or Tkachuk who is due $9 million next year and likely a FA after that plus he's likely going to be a very tough guy to re-sign.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

Ya. I thought Sutter's trades to bring in role guys who could make an impact before the 04 run were genius.

They sure were. He lost his way unfortunately and I think because his personality was too strong to have some good sounding boards around him. But that is mainly a guess obviously.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I don't really care bud, you're one of the most pretentious people here. You're constantly trying to paint yourself as the enlightened voice of reason on everything, doesn't matter the subject.

As a pretentious dick I take offense to PepsiFree being called a pretentious dick. Pepsi has a long way to go to become a pretentious dick. Don't worry Pep, you're well on your way, but still have some work to do!