[Trade] Monahan and conditional 2025 1st to Montreal for future considerations

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1560386539825180673

So Montreal has the option of taking Calgary's 2024 1st rounder, but only if it's between 20-32. That seems unlikely to me, even if Calgary and Florida are both at the top of the league at that point (meaning it would be a late first rounder in any event).

After that, the most likely scenario is that Florida's 2025 1st Rounder goes to us, because it only slides to 2026 if it's a lottery pick. In that case, Montreal gets the better 2025 1st rounder, unless Calgary's pick is in the top 10 (in which case Montreal gets Florida's pick).

In the unlikely scenario that Florida sucks and their 2025 pick is a lottery pick, it opens the door for Calgary to potentially lose their own first round pick to Montreal which will NOT be lottery protected and potentially a fourth rounder (with the exception of Calgary's 1st being 1st overall, in which case the 1st rounder slides to 2026 -- the better of Calgary's or Florida's -- plus Montreal also gets a third rounder). Meanwhile, if our own 2025 1st Rounder is NOT 1st overall, it looks like we would KEEP Florida's 2026 (not protected).

[flambers]

Considering there is no guarantee Monahan is able to play.

They have just acquired $6m + of salary for a 1st

Plus Montreal will need to make another trade to move salary

I bet they are hoping, Monahan can play and then they will flip him before the deadline

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Feeling Murray definitely vetoed the Lucic trade option in favour of this Monahan dump because of the real dollars involved.

I wouldn't have minded the Lucic move since I don't know how good of a hockey player he will be this season. Probably not great. Is the $5M deterrent really worth retaining vs a guy that has a small but real chance of making a comeback and being a shooter on your first PP unit?

Think I'd have preferred the Boston route.

But no regrets in bringing Kadri in. That's worth it still, at the end of the day.

Hate the complicated conditions as well.

He just committed $84M to Huberdeau and $49M to Kadri in a matter of a few weeks, with the potential of another $30-40M for Weegar. I don't think he gives a #### about a few million dollars between Monahan and Lucic.

Fact is at this point, Lucic has more utility to the team than Monahan.

[AustinL_NHL]

The people who hate this (and/or the offseason in general) remind me of the types of people who get jealous of seeing their loved ones/friends succeed while they're just hovering and look for any possible reason (however dumb) to shoot down their positive direction.

Brad Treliving took two, hand-delivered, massive piles of s***, and turned it into three bars of Gold.

I don't give a crap about how the back-end of Kadri's & Huberdeau's deals look after 4 years. Treliving just created a golden 3-4 year window in which this team has a legitimate chance to contend year after year.

Due to Treliving, the Flames now have:

- Elite C group
- Arguably the best defense in the league (hands down best #1-#6)
- Vezina goaltending
- best coach in the NHL (minimum top 3 for those who want to argue)

That already the makings of a top-notch contender, without even mentioning the possibility of Treliving adding a quality RW and/or adding to the overall forward depth.

I will gladly, but respectfully, tell anyone who still has criticism's of Treliving's offseason, to f*** off

[dino7c]

I think some of you over estimate how many teams are willing or able to take over 6M on with nothing going back. Cap is an asset

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Should've just made it a conditionless 2nd. It's one year of Mony. Not a lot to stomach.

Stupid Habs.

Lol why didn't they think of that

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1560387712288374785

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Trade should have happened three or four years ago. Instead of getting over-paid for him, they're over-paying to get rid of him.

..something about hindsight..

I'm sure there's half a dozen examples of that on the Canucks.

Most teams don't think along the lines of "great season for this top 6 player of ours, quick let's get rid of him!"

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

..something about hindsight..

I'm sure there's half a dozen examples of that on the Canucks.

Most teams don't think along the lines of "great season for this top 6 player of ours, quick let's get rid of him!"

No kidding, especially when injuries do them in

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Can someone explain to me how flames ownership is cheap?

1) They're willing to spend to cap every year.

2) When flames are bad, they're willing to avoid buyouts and pay bad players 100% of salary to minimize buyout penalties.

3) when flames are good, they're willing to give up assets to get bad contacts off the books. This allows the flames to maximize cap efficiency.

4) when flames are good, they authorize long-term contracts to older players to maximize probability of winning within competitive window (see Huberdeau and kadri contracts).

Imo it looks like Murray Edwards has authorized tre to do whatever it takes to maximize the probability of winning now.

We just gave away a first round pick to avoid paying Sean Monahan six million dollars this season.

We're going to be paying Nazem Kadri seven million dollars a season up until he's four months shy of his 39th birthday.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

We just gave away a first round pick to avoid paying Sean Monahan six million dollars this season.

We're going to be paying Nazem Kadri seven million dollars a season up until he's four months shy of his 39th birthday.

You don't see how those are connected? How does it make them cheap lol

[Bonded]

Lucic could basically make himself impossible to move and he did. Monahan probably did the same but made a bad gamble by putting Montreal on his list.

[MegaErtz]

How many players are worth $7m a season at age 38? I'm genuinely asking.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

We just gave away a first round pick to avoid paying Sean Monahan six million dollars this season.

We're going to be paying Nazem Kadri seven million dollars a season up until he's four months shy of his 39th birthday.

They just gave away a first-round pick to be able to pay Nazem Kadri seven million dollars a season.

It's not about being cheap. It's about making it all work under the cap.

Geez.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

How many players are worth $7m a season at age 38? I'm genuinely asking.

Barely any of them but I don't give a #### about the last three years of the deal as long as the first three are good. I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised like Gio and Tanev

[Braden]

Can only imagine the effect these conditions will have on trading our other 1st rounders going forward, conditions on conditions on conditions

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

Yikes, horrible deal.

If you're an Oiler fan, yes

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

How many players are worth $7m a season at age 38? I'm genuinely asking.

What's the cap in 7 years? Like 4M today....a lot are worth that much

[DionTheDman]

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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

How many players are worth $7m a season at age 38? I'm genuinely asking.

At 36/37 last season:

Pavelski, Bergeron

Thornton was still good at 39 in 18-19 for San Jose (51 points)

It's rare but centers tend to be the ones that can age the best.