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Textcritic · 02-23-2016, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by New Era

... I'm not going to anoint Shinkaruk as the answer to the Flames problems on the wing, but he is an intriguing piece to pick up for diminishing returns. Still wondering why a LW when we are so lacking on the RW?

I think the answer to that question is that it was Shinkarek who was available. As I understand this deal, he was being shopped for a defenseman, and Treliving offered the best return, which hilariously happens to NOT be a defenseman.

Lanny_McDonald · 02-23-2016, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Menace

I think Granlund could project to having a Frolik-like career, a solid 2 way pro who can play on your 2nd or 3rd line, good at the PK or PP.
I don't really buy the argument that he can't play the wing, they didn't try it out for very long, and not at all in the NHL (that I can recall)
Shinkaruk may have a higher ceiling, but he also has a lower floor.
I think it was worth the gamble in the end because we need more bonafide top 6 players, but I am sad to see Granlund go.
Unlike most posters I will continue to wish success for both him and Baertschi, even if I hope their team loses every game they play.

I'm getting a little tired of reading this narrative already. No, Markus Granlund does not have a higher floor. Even as a Markus Granlund fan and a long time supporter it is obvious that he is not going to be an effective third or fourth line player. The downside of Granlund's game is his inability to win a face-off or play with any physicality. He reads plays well and makes smart plays, but to be a successful third liner, especially in the middle, you need to be strong in the dot and play with at least a little bit of gumption. This is why Granlund was spending as much time in the press box as he was in the lineup.

If Granlund is going to be successful they really need to move him to the wing and play him with a guy that let Markus us his shot. He has potential to be a good scorer, but needs someone to feed him the puck. There is no way he's going to turn into a Frolik type player because he doesn't have the size and edge that Frolik has. What he could turn into is a decent scorer along the lines of a Vanek. No, he won't fill the net like Vanek, but he will score goals in similar fashion. The odds of that happening are slipping away fast though. Sadly, I think Granlund will end up going the way of Horak and end up in Europe in the next two years.

The positive thing for Shinkaruk is that he only has to surpass Granlund's numbers for this deal to be a win for us. Anything more than 14 goals and 28 points likely means the fans will forget about Granlund quickly. I think that is doable, especially if he finds his way onto Bennet's wing. This will be interesting to watch develop.

VladtheImpaler · 02-23-2016, 08:43 AM

Having slept on it... still meh. I feel like we traded Dustin Boyd for Chuck Kobasew. Mind you, we bought 2 extra waiver exempt seasons, so.... wooo?

Lanny_McDonald · 02-23-2016, 08:56 AM

Looking at some of Shinkaruk's highlights from junior is he looks like he can play both wings. He likes to come in off the right side, so maybe there is hope for him to be a RW for the Flames.

handgroen · 02-23-2016, 09:00 AM

I really get the feeling that the flames are building up assets for a deadline trade.

wouldn't be surprised if hunter is tampa bound if i'm guessing.

JiriHrdina · 02-23-2016, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Having slept on it... still meh. I feel like we traded Dustin Boyd for Chuck Kobasew. Mind you, we bought 2 extra waiver exempt seasons, so.... wooo?

Charles played over 600 NHL games compared to 200 for Boyd so if we did indeed do that it would be a huge win

VladtheImpaler · 02-23-2016, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Charles played over 600 NHL games compared to 200 for Boyd so if we did indeed do that it would be a huge win

Fair enough - I just meant I don't see it having a major impact on the future of the franchise. I think it's a win.

TheScorpion · 02-23-2016, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Charles played over 600 NHL games compared to 200 for Boyd so if we did indeed do that it would be a huge win

You always find a way, Jiri

CliffFletcher · 02-23-2016, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by New Era

I'm getting a little tired of reading this narrative already. No, Markus Granlund does not have a higher floor.

Granlund has proven he can take a regular shift in the NHL. Shinkaruk hasn't. That's your higher floor.

getbak · 02-23-2016, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Having slept on it... still meh. I feel like we traded Dustin Boyd for Chuck Kobasew. Mind you, we bought 2 extra waiver exempt seasons, so.... wooo?

Exactly.

Not every trade needs to be a blockbuster, in fact, most aren't.

Bandwagon In Flames · 02-23-2016, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Granlund has proven he can take a regular shift in the NHL. Shinkaruk hasn't. That's your higher floor.

He's played 80 NHL games and has looked like crap unless he's on the PK (league worst PK btw). There is no room in the NHL for pk specialists who can't drive possession, score, cycle or be physical.

Shinkaruk has not had the opportunity to show if his game translates to the NHL or not yet. He's notably more determined than a player like Granlund so that has to be a good sign.

Granlund might have the higher floor, but his floor is 4th line tweener and ceiling is 3rd line centre. I'd rather gamble for a 20% chance at something more than that. We have enough 4th line tweeners already.

FlamesAddiction · 02-23-2016, 09:24 AM

It's way too early to know what Shinkaruk will be. He just turned 21. Next season will be a huge indicator I think.

Patek23 · 02-23-2016, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Gaudreau - Monahan - 2016 1st

(Laine/Pulj/Tkachuk)
Bouma - Backlund - Frolik
Shinkaruk - Bennett - Perron
Ferland - Stajan - Agostino

Just a little hoping. Haha

You hope Bouma is on our 2nd line next year? Yikes

Enoch Root · 02-23-2016, 09:27 AM

Last summer, we collectively voted Granlund 8th on the prospect depth charts (and notably, Poirier 2nd):

Bennett
Poirier
Gillies
Ferland
Ortio
Jankowski
Hickey
Granlund
Klimchuk
Kylington

Where would Shinkaruk slot in at this point, with Bennett and Ferland having graduated? I think we have Gillies at the top, and then 2 groups of players: 3 defensemen that have separated themselves, and I would argue 3 forwards that are above the others:

Kylington, Andersson, Hickey

and

Poirier, Jankowski and Shinkaruk

in whatever order you like each group. I might order them as follows:

Gillies
Kylington
Andersson
Poirier
Shinkaruk
Hickey
Jankowski
Wotherspoon
Klimchuk
Magiapane
McDonald
Ortio

But regardless of what order you like, I think most would agree that Shinkaruk would be among the top 3 forwards on the list, or top 4 if you think Mangiapane is in that mix at this point.

CSharp · 02-23-2016, 09:30 AM

Man, this trade made the Flames smaller. How does this even make the team better? WTF? It's almost like the trade is done just for the fact that trading deadline is looming. Whatever - c'mon Brad, make this team bigger and better, not stay status quo.

MrMastodonFarm · 02-23-2016, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Granlund has proven he can take a regular shift in the NHL. Shinkaruk hasn't. That's your higher floor.

Not sure if being a healthy scratch on one of the worst teams in the league more often than not is proven.

No guarantee he's an NHL regular at any point, that's your floor.

Bandwagon In Flames · 02-23-2016, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

You hope Bouma is on our 2nd line next year? Yikes

He was on our 2nd line for half of last year when we you know, made the playoffs...

Bandwagon In Flames · 02-23-2016, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CSharp

Man, this trade made the Flames smaller. How does this even make the team better? WTF? It's almost like the trade is done just for the fact that trading deadline is looming. Whatever - c'mon Brad, make this team bigger and better, not stay status quo.

This is the most uninformed post I have read this week.

Enoch Root · 02-23-2016, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CSharp

Man, this trade made the Flames smaller. How does this even make the team better? WTF? It's almost like the trade is done just for the fact that trading deadline is looming. Whatever - c'mon Brad, make this team bigger and better, not stay status quo.

It doesn't make them smaller - Shinkaruk and Granlund are pretty similar in size.

It doesn't make them better, but most would argue that Shinkaruk has more upside than Granlund. Debatable, but possible.

What it does is remove a guy who hasn't been able to take the next step and who will become waiver-eligible in the fall, and replace him with a younger player, who has more upside and has an extra year or two to show it.

It also takes a player from a position of significant depth and switches into a position where we have considerably less depth.

The trade isn't a big deal either way, but it's a solid move from an asset management standpoint.

Patek23 · 02-23-2016, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

He was on our 2nd line for half of last year when we you know, made the playoffs...

Yeah I must of really missed that last year when he alone dragged us kicking and screaming into the playoffs. We also made the Playoffs without Giordano for the last quarter of the season geez we should really trade that bum.