It’s good because nobody ever thinks to criticize the Arab world.
It is interesting to see the link openly made… as I can only assume it’s based on majority skin colour? I don’t see any other reason to single out a particular group of countries. Maybe I’m just confused.
Any solution with Palestine / Gaza has to include the Arab world playing a part.
What part is that? To take in all the Palestinians so Israel can get exactly what they've wanted all these years? Or should they step in to help the Palestinians defend themselves with weapons? Or just shovel resource aid at them so Israel can continue to keep them contained?
What is it you want them to do, exactly?
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What part is that? To take in all the Palestinians so Israel can get exactly what they've wanted all these years? Or should they step in to help the Palestinians defend themselves with weapons? Or just shovel resource aid at them so Israel can continue to keep them contained?
What is it you want them to do, exactly?
The Arab world could actually start funding projects that result in economic development, instead of just funding militants to run some kind of everlasting (and losing) suicide campaign.
The average Israeli would like nothing more than to have a developed and modern Gaza, instead of a backwards suicide cult on their borders.
If only there was another country on Gaza’s borders that could fund economic development instead of funding and facilitating funding of militants like Hamas. Oh well.
What part is that? To take in all the Palestinians so Israel can get exactly what they've wanted all these years? Or should they step in to help the Palestinians defend themselves with weapons? Or just shovel resource aid at them so Israel can continue to keep them contained?
What is it you want them to do, exactly?
Someones I wonder if you are intentionally obtuse.
Saudis want a peace deal with Israel. Israel wants a peace deal with the Saudis. You don't think that SA could push & influence Israel on the future of Gaza? Everything from how military action is carried out, humanitarian aid is brought in, governance, economic systems, mobility of the people, etc, etc, etc?
Same goes with countries like Jordan, Egypt, UAE.....
Or perhaps those countries are intentionally sitting back because they don't want to have any part in dealing with the situation beyond rhetoric and a statement every now and then, but in the background they mostly just observe?
The entire region needs to work together to fix this problem.
Also doesn't help that countries like Qatar give sanctuary to Hamas leaders.
Someones I wonder if you are intentionally obtuse.
Saudis want a peace deal with Israel. Israel wants a peace deal with the Saudis. You don't think that SA could push & influence Israel on the future of Gaza? Everything from how military action is carried out, humanitarian aid is brought in, governance, economic systems, mobility of the people, etc, etc, etc?
Same goes with countries like Jordan, Egypt, UAE.....
Or perhaps those countries are intentionally sitting back because they don't want to have any part in dealing with the situation beyond rhetoric and a statement every now and then, but in the background they mostly just observe?
The entire region needs to work together to fix this problem.
Also doesn't help that countries like Qatar give sanctuary to Hamas leaders.
There ya go. Why would they want to insert themselves in an impossible situation? You complain about the extreme Hamas government, but Israel's is no less extreme it it's desire to eliminate Palestinians from the land, however it happens. Watch the video above if you dispute that reality.
There ya go. Why would they want to insert themselves in an impossible situation? You complain about the extreme Hamas government, but Israel's is no less extreme it it's desire to eliminate Palestinians from the land, however it happens. Watch the video above if you dispute that reality.
Hamas disappears if the aid that was meant to go to the people of Gaza and went into their coffers stops flowing.
Billions upon billions.
Israel has no incentive to deal with the situation other than the way that they are.
The only countries that can create incentive to deal with it differently are those that have leverage over Israel. That means they have something Israel wants.
The US is not going to act different regardless of who is in power, so it has to be the Arab countries, and most of them have something they could use to barter with Israel. Peace deals, economic deals, military deals, etc.
The do much about nothing situation has just allowed Hamas to build up its resources and infrastructure that was used to launch the attacks. That means for many years most countries in that area were turning a blind eye while those resources were filtered into Gaza. That has to change.
Ya, gotcha. So in this alternate history where Arab nations supported the Palestinians and policed bad actors to prevent any harm to Israel, I presume this would have motivated Israel to not take land for "settlements" and to share water resources in an equal way and not elect governments who advocate for taking everything form the river to the sea as it is their god given right? They'd also be willing to let Palestinians have their own state?
Well geez, you just solved peace in the middle east. Well done.
Ya, gotcha. So in this alternate history where Arab nations supported the Palestinians and policed bad actors to prevent any harm to Israel, I presume this would have motivated Israel to not take land for "settlements" and to share water resources in an equal way and not elect governments who advocate for taking everything form the river to the sea as it is their god given right? They'd also be willing to let Palestinians have their own state?
Well geez, you just solved peace in the middle east. Well done.
I'm not saying it is simple, as even diplomatic agreements take years to properly figure out, but Israel has made some form of agreement with most of the countries around them, including some they have been at war with before.
Might just be providing them with water, but it is something.
Therefore I have no reason to believe that they wouldn't do the same thing with Palestine, but there needs to be incentive for Israel to do so. Thinking that Hamas will continue to exist and continue to steal all the aid money and keep training the next generation of barbaric murderers and Israel will just allow it to happen is pretty naive at this point.
The Arab world involving themselves into the situation to help the people of Gaza govern themselves will help eliminate Hamas and turn the tide.
But of course then the people of Gaza have to be willing to work with these countries, and it brings up the question, why do countries like SA, Egypt, Jordan not want to deal with the situation?
I'm not saying it is simple, as even diplomatic agreements take years to properly figure out, but Israel has made some form of agreement with most of the countries around them, including some they have been at war with before.
Might just be providing them with water, but it is something.
Therefore I have no reason to believe that they wouldn't do the same thing with Palestine, but there needs to be incentive for Israel to do so. Thinking that Hamas will continue to exist and continue to steal all the aid money and keep training the next generation of barbaric murderers and Israel will just allow it to happen is pretty naive at this point.
The Arab world involving themselves into the situation to help the people of Gaza govern themselves will help eliminate Hamas and turn the tide.
But of course then the people of Gaza have to be willing to work with these countries, and it brings up the question, why do countries like SA, Egypt, Jordan not want to deal with the situation?
Uhm, why would they? Do you regularly go stick your head in a hornets nest? And if things go wrong, they are faced with dealing with the USA. This seems obvious to me.
Ya, gotcha. So in this alternate history where Arab nations supported the Palestinians and policed bad actors to prevent any harm to Israel, I presume this would have motivated Israel to not take land for "settlements" and to share water resources in an equal way and not elect governments who advocate for taking everything form the river to the sea as it is their god given right? They'd also be willing to let Palestinians have their own state?
Well geez, you just solved peace in the middle east. Well done.
Yes, most likely.
You really don’t know the history of this conflict do you? The Palestinians have been offered a state multiple times, as late as 2008. If the Palestinians had been focused on improving their own communities rather than waging war with Israel and fostering Islamic extremism one would imagine they would have had their own state decades ago. Even when given refuge in Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, Egypt etc.. the Palestinians continue to wage war with Israel which is precisely why other Arab states do not want to get involved and why Egypt is currently fortifying their border fence with Gaza.
Israel was easing restrictions on Gazans before October 7th, had given more work permits to Gazans than ever before. Israel was going to continue to ease restrictions with the Saudi Peace deal but then October 7th occurred and it was found out that some Gazans who were given work permits were giving intel to Hamas.
So yes, the Palestinians would have had a state if they were not hell bent on war with Israel.
If Israel wanted “river to the sea” why did they completely remove themselves from Gaza in 2005?
Why offer 94% of the West Bank to become a Palestinian state in 2008?
GENEVA (19 February 2024) – UN experts* today expressed alarm over credible allegations of egregious human rights violations to which Palestinian women and girls continue to be subjected in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
Palestinian women and girls have reportedly been arbitrarily executed in Gaza, often together with family members, including their children, according to information received. “We are shocked by reports of the deliberate targeting and extrajudicial killing of Palestinian women and children in places where they sought refuge, or while fleeing. Some of them were reportedly holding white pieces of cloth when they were killed by the Israeli army or affiliated forces,” the experts said.
The experts expressed serious concern about the arbitrary detention of hundreds of Palestinian women and girls, including human rights defenders, journalists and humanitarian workers, in Gaza and the West Bank since 7 October. Many have reportedly been subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment, denied menstruation pads, food and medicine, and severely beaten. On at least one occasion, Palestinian women detained in Gaza were allegedly kept in a cage in the rain and cold, without food.
“We are particularly distressed by reports that
Palestinian women and girls in detention have also been subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault, such as being stripped naked and searched by male Israeli army officers. At least two female Palestinian detainees were reportedly raped while others were reportedly threatened with rape and sexual violence,” the experts said. They also noted that photos of female detainees in degrading circumstances were also reportedly taken by the Israeli army and uploaded online.
The experts expressed concern that an unknown number of Palestinian women and children, including girls, have reportedly gone missing after contact with the Israeli army in Gaza. “There are disturbing reports of at least one female infant forcibly transferred by the Israeli army into Israel, and of children being separated from their parents, whose whereabouts remain unknown,” they said.
“We remind the Government of Israel of its obligation to uphold the right to life, safety, health, and dignity of Palestinian women and girls and to ensure that no one is subjected to violence, torture, ill-treatment or degrading treatment, including sexual violence,” the experts said.
If the allegations are real of course they should be investigated but it is interesting that both of you are so critical of “biased” Israeli sources but believe the UN, who has funded Hamas terrorism, is a trustworthy source.
UN ‘expert’ is former UNWRA official and antisemite Francesca Albanese. She is currently banned from entering Israel.
Just a few of the outrageously antisemitic things Albanese has said in the past:
• “America and Europe, one of them subjugated by the Jewish lobby, and the other by the sense of guilt about the Holocaust, remain on the sidelines and continue to condemn the oppressed — the Palestinians — who defend themselves with the only means they have (deranged missiles), instead of making Israel face its international law responsibilities,”
• “The Israeli lobby is clearly inside your veins and system and you will be remembered to have been on the big brother’s side of this orwellian [sic] nightmare caused once again by Israel’s greed….”
It took 3 months of compiling forensic and video evidence for the UN to admit Hamas raped Israelis but with zero forensic evidence they are going to make these claims? Interesting.
If the allegations are real of course they should be investigated but it is interesting that both of you are so critical of “biased” Israeli sources but believe the UN, who has funded Hamas terrorism, is a trustworthy source.
UN ‘expert’ is former UNWRA official and antisemite Francesca Albanese. She is currently banned from entering Israel.
Just a few of the outrageously antisemitic things Albanese has said in the past:
• “America and Europe, one of them subjugated by the Jewish lobby, and the other by the sense of guilt about the Holocaust, remain on the sidelines and continue to condemn the oppressed — the Palestinians — who defend themselves with the only means they have (deranged missiles), instead of making Israel face its international law responsibilities,”
• “The Israeli lobby is clearly inside your veins and system and you will be remembered to have been on the big brother’s side of this orwellian [sic] nightmare caused once again by Israel’s greed….”
It took 3 months of compiling forensic and video evidence for the UN to admit Hamas raped Israelis but with zero forensic evidence they are going to make these claims? Interesting.
The UN is Hamas’s no.1 spokesperson
The "expert" is actually "experts":
* The experts: Reem Alsalem, Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls, its causes and consequences; Francesca Albanese, Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967; Dorothy Estrada Tanck (Chair), Claudia Flores, Ivana Krstić, Haina Lu, and Laura Nyirinkindi, Working group on discrimination against women and girls.
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UN ‘expert’ is former UNWRA official and antisemite Francesca Albanese. She is currently banned from entering [sic] nightmare caused once again by Israel’.
Waa Waa Waa must play the antisemite card.
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116 Human Rights and Civil Society Organisations, Academic Institutions, and groups Condemn Israel’s Targeted Smear Campaign Against Respected UN Special Rapporteur, Francesca Albanese
If the allegations are real of course they should be investigated but it is interesting that both of you are so critical of “biased” Israeli sources but believe the UN, who has funded Hamas terrorism, is a trustworthy source.
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The UN is Hamas’s no.1 spokesperson
Turns out, probably not.
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According to the Wall Street Journal, the intelligence report, released last week, declared it had “low confidence” in the basic claim that a handful of staff had participated in the attack, indicating that it considered the accusations to be credible though it could not independently confirm their veracity.
It cast doubt, however, on accusations that the UN agency was collaborating with Hamas in a wider way. The Journal said the report mentioned that although the UNRWA does coordinate with Hamas in order to deliver aid and operate in the region, there was a lack of evidence to suggest it partnered with the group.
It added that Israel has not “shared the raw intelligence behind its assessments with the US”.
In addition, the report notes Israel’s dislike towards the UNRWA, two sources familiar with it told the Journal. “There is a specific section that mentions how Israeli bias serves to mischaracterize much of their assessments on UNRWA and says this has resulted in distortions,” one source reportedly said.
I’m not sure supporters of the Israel government should be so quick to point “Hamas” at everything given the government they support had a significant role in building up Hamas to ensure instability in the region.
