2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Vinny01]

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/...013126739.html

Further evidence I would never want the Flames to trade for DeAngelo

[AC]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/...013126739.html

Further evidence I would never want the Flames to trade for DeAngelo

Apparently Columbus has a few Trumpers / Qanon crazies too (Jones, Werenski, Gerbe), which might be another reason Dubois wants out.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

Heard Lucic talking post practice. I was astounded to hear that the Bruins in 2011 won the cup and in 82 games the top scorers were he and Krecji with just 61 pts each. Bergeron had 47 that year! Apparantly the keys to the cup don't always involve having a 100 pts "star" center and an 80 pt second line center.

Trading at "any cost" is ridiculous. As usual we under value our guys then think that guys like PLD and Laine would be "superstars" here for some reason. You might think Jet and Columbus fans think the same way about their guys and muse about trading their problems and getting a "Gaudreau" . Grass is always greener on the oher side of the hill as they say.

Yeah but you’re just looking at the regular season stats. This was a team built for the playoffs. They had 2 nearly ppg centers in the playoffs, multiple power forwards, a couple of young studs in Marchand/Seguin, a #1 defenseman and a Vezina Trophy winning goaltender. I think had the Flames had these elements in their line up we would be several rounds deep every year.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by AC

Apparently Columbus has a few Trumpers / Qanon crazies too (Jones, Werenski, Gerbe), which might be another reason Dubois wants out.

A buddy of mine at work is an Oilers fan and stated that Caleb Jones and Archibald are Trumpers so not surprised to hear about Seth in Columbus having the same views. From a wealthy family in Texas so not shocking.

Decent theory on PLD as well considering Jones and Werenski are core players for that team that they will want to keep long term

[Moneyhands23]

Politics have no place in the work place in my opinion. It should be avoided at all costs, especially these days

[simmer2]

Without wanting to de-rail an actual hockey thread, I don't like the media choosing who gets a voice. To be clear, I think Trump is an idiot, but I don't want others telling me who I should or shouldn't listen to. That's up to me.

In other news, there are a lot of Dubois 'smoke there's fire' articles. He isn't an easy guy to trade though. Should be interesting to see if he actually gets moved or not.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Politics have no place in the work place in my opinion. It should be avoided at all costs, especially these days

I fully agree. That said it’s easy for me to say that living in Canada . What’s going down in the states right now is completely different. IMO there is democratic support, republican support and then true trump support . True trump support is more like a cult than republican support.

[Sandman]

I've lost friends over their love for Trump. Friends I've had for decades. The guy is a clown. He didn't get banned for his opinion, he got banned for inciting violence.

Oh, and DeAngelo is a tool.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by simmer2

In other news, there are a lot of Dubois 'smoke there's fire' articles. He isn't an easy guy to trade though. Should be interesting to see if he actually gets moved or not.

What do you mean by "isn't an easy guy to trade"? Do you mean "will be terribly missed by the team because he is so valuable"? I can't see a situation where a big, skilled, strong-skating young centre who plays top-line minutes is somehow not highly coveted by every team in the League.


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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

What do you mean by "isn't an easy guy to trade"? Do you mean "will be terribly missed by the team because he is so valuable"? I can't see a situation where a big, skilled, strong-skating young centre who plays top-line minutes is somehow not highly coveted by every team in the League.


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He is highly coveted yes, but the challenge is that if you are moving someone like that, you want an equally enticing player coming back. That makes him very difficult to move.

If you are happy with a collage of lesser players coming back, easy peazy.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He is highly coveted yes, but the challenge is that if you are moving someone like that, you want an equally enticing player coming back. That makes him very difficult to move.



If you are happy with a collage of lesser players coming back, easy peazy.

Yeah, that's how I would choose to read it; but I am wondering if that is what this poster is saying.

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[Harry Lime]

The rumored ask from Montreal for PLD was Suzuki and Kotkeimeini. So, their 1st and 2nd centres. Immediate no, but it shows you where Columbus is at, asking for the moon. From Calgary they would ask for Monahan and Dube, and maybe settle for Monahan and Zary. Not cheap.


From Lebrun :

It was a busy offseason for the Flames. The team improved, especially with the addition of goalie Jacob Markstrom. What didn’t happen, despite all the speculation, was Calgary doing something bigger as far as dealing either Sean Monahan or Johnny Gaudreau. This could be an appealing trade partner for Columbus if a Dubois deal is more about getting players back who can help the Jackets now. Is there something here around Dubois and Monahan?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

I believe it happens more than often with balanced team scoring than superstar scoring. For an example look at Chicago in 10, 13 and 15. LA in 14 and 12. Boston in 11. Even Pitt in 16 and 17 (still decent numbers by Crosby but nothing earth shattering).

The difference with those teams is they had stars who could store but didn’t need to. It’s not like a group of players whose career best is 50-60 points. Even if the star players weren’t putting up gaudy numbers they were always a threat to score. Stevie Y didn’t forget how to store,

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yeah, that's how I would choose to read it; but I am wondering if that is what this poster is saying.

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Ya, what the other poster said. He will have a ton of value for sure and a player other GMs covet...but getting equal value back when trading likely the best player, well that's difficult.

Maybe there will be a pure hockey trade...I just don't see as many of those, especially with top caliber centers.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The rumored ask from Montreal for PLD was Suzuki and Kotkeimeini. So, their 1st and 2nd centres. Immediate no, but it shows you where Columbus is at, asking for the moon. From Calgary they would ask for Monahan and Dube, and maybe settle for Monahan and Zary. Not cheap.


From Lebrun :

In my opinion Monahan+Dube is a better package than the Habs one. I have no desire at all for the Flames to move Dube and would try and swap Mangipane who I also wouldn’t want to move.

A deal I would push for from the Flames (maybe not enough) is Monahan+conditional 2nd (turns into a 1st of Flames win 1 playoff round). If Zary is part of the deal I could live with it but worry that we would give up a prospect who is only 1-2 years away from making an impact in the NHL.

Monahan+Bennett is another package I would consider as well which could work out well for the Jackets if my theory of Bennett breaking out once he moves to a new organization comes to fruition.

In my opinion though Dubois should definitely be a target for Calgary and I would be okay with an overpay. If one of Monahan or Gaudreau are on the table though I want to avoid adding a player like Dube or Pelletier to that deal. Mangipane, Zary, or a protected 1st would be in play as add ons and I think that is a competitive offer

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

What do you mean by "isn't an easy guy to trade"? Do you mean "will be terribly missed by the team because he is so valuable"? I can't see a situation where a big, skilled, strong-skating young centre who plays top-line minutes is somehow not highly coveted by every team in the League.


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Hard to get value if a team ccant get any idea of whether he actually wants to be there.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The rumored ask from Montreal for PLD was Suzuki and Kotkeimeini. So, their 1st and 2nd centres. Immediate no, but it shows you where Columbus is at, asking for the moon. From Calgary they would ask for Monahan and Dube, and maybe settle for Monahan and Zary. Not cheap.


From Lebrun :

Monahan is much more established than Suzuki or Kotkeimeini

A 1-for-1 with perhaps a slight sweetener but not Dube.

[MrMike]

I think Monahan would be what the Jackets should be looking for. An established first line 60-70 point center on a team friendly deal with term to replace PLD, where else will they find a package that isn’t for futures

[Bonded]

Yeah, now that Barzal is signed who is the best center they could for PLD? I wonder if Tampa would take PLD+ for Point and save some cap

[Vinny01]

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-rumors-january-9-2021/

Some more speculation. Friedman apparently stated he thinks Jarmo would be looking for more of a one for one type deal with Dubois rather than a package of assets. They tie this into the Flames potentially being a fit