2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Toronto would crap all over their mended relationship with Dave Keon and spit on Tim Horton's grave if it meant getting Stamkos this summer.

With that deal Yzerman offered Stamkos, it's going to be easy to sign him this summer.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by codynw

Yep, for $8.5M I want someone that's going to make the players around him better, and the past 2.5 years, that isn't Stamkos.

Second in goals last season with 43.

[MarkGio]

I would like to resign Ramo to a 1 to 2yr deal.

Ortio and Gillies will battle to back him up, knowing a short term deal means there's opportunity to be a starter. That should keep Ramo on his toes, as well as his back up.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

What suburban outlet mall did you find those two players in?

Jared Knight is 24 and just got demoted to the ECHL. Why would the Flames be interested in players like this at all?

What's funny about this is people thought and overrated this guy just because he had a connection to the Kessel trade.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Second in goals last season with 43.

Stamkos = Kessel and you guys couldn't wait to run him out of town.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Stamkos = Kessel and you guys couldn't wait to run him out of town.

We were the only ones defending him. Stamkos has scored 60 BTW.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I would like to resign Ramo to a 1 to 2yr deal.

Ortio and Gillies will battle to back him up, knowing a short term deal means there's opportunity to be a starter. That should keep Ramo on his toes, as well as his back up.

No way Gillies is in the running for the backup job next season. The kid needs to play and play a lot. Best case scenario sees him up in 2017.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

We were the only ones defending him. Stamkos has scored 60 BTW.

And hasn't done that in 5 years. He's been borderline terrible for him since his injury. 8.5+ with term for a guy on pace to score 63 points and is a one dimensional forward is not a good usage of $.

[GB70]

I look at Stamkos and while yes he can score and score alot. for the money he was offered 8.5 mill per year. That's dangerously close to Sydney Crosby money.... So one has to ask is Stamkos worth Crosby money ? If your a GM and you believe so then that's where you sign him for. Yzerman is in a rough spot , if he doesn't offer 8.5 it looks like he's low balling the star and Stammer walks to UFA on july 1, if Stevie Yzerman over pays he looks a bad gm handcuffing the team.

I'm honestly not sure I'd pay Stammer 7 mill let alone 8.5. He simply hasn't been the same player he was before he went down with that nasty leg injury he suffered prior to the Sochi Olympics. For the pre Sochi Stammer , yea him I'd pay north of 8 mill.

[442scotty]

I know he's pretty young but Stamkos is on the downslide. If it wasn't for his one timers from the circle what would he be?

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

We were the only ones defending him. Stamkos has scored 60 BTW.

Honestly the Leafs have made the right decisions with their club this past year. They started the purge last year and replaced the voids left by the players they traded away with a bunch of pto players that have had pretty good seasons and can be included into their next purge in a month or so. Rather than 'edmonton rush' their top prospects like Nylander, Marner, Kapanen, Harrington ect. They are letting them build their games on other teams while they continue to rebuild on the big club.

You guys need to add an 8.5 million just-not-the-same-as-before Stamkos like you needed to keep Kessel. Its not what the Leafs should be looking at at all. Continue with the rebuild, trade guys like Winnik, Boyes, Parenteau, Grabner ect. For more picks and prospect strength and then worry about delevoping the young talent on the big club while maybe making a splash in the UFA market. Stamkos, to me, doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a lot of clubs, especially considering he will demand more than 8.5 x 8 on the open market. No thanks.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GB70

I look at Stamkos and while yes he can score and score alot. for the money he was offered 8.5 mill per year. That's dangerously close to Sydney Crosby money.... So one has to ask is Stamkos worth Crosby money ? If your a GM and you believe so then that's where you sign him for. Yzerman is in a rough spot , if he doesn't offer 8.5 it looks like he's low balling the star and Stammer walks to UFA on july 1, if Stevie Yzerman over pays he looks a bad gm handcuffing the team.

I'm honestly not sure I'd pay Stammer 7 mill let alone 8.5. He simply hasn't been the same player he was before he went down with that nasty leg injury he suffered prior to the Sochi Olympics. For the pre Sochi Stammer , yea him I'd pay north of 8 mill.

The only reason Crosby's cap hit is so low is because it's a cheater, back diving deal from the old CBA. For that reason, You can't compare Stamkos' new deal to Crosby's old one. If Crosby was a UFA this summer, I have no doubt he would get at least $11m AAV, and that's after the worst season of his career.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Second in goals last season with 43.

And? At this point Stamkos is just a one timer on the powerplay.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by codynw

And? At this point Stamkos is just a one timer on the powerplay.

To add to that, I wonder how much Stamkos has been neutered by the declining PP rates over the last few years? I bet he saw more minutes on the PP the year he scored 60 than he will this year or last year. Not to say it's the only reason for his fall from grace but I would think it would be a factor.

[CKPThunder]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Oh boy did Simmer just out himself as a Canuck fan?

Did not see a response to this. What did Simmer do?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by CKPThunder

Did not see a response to this. What did Simmer do?

This is what Simmer (the poster) said,

Originally Posted by simmer2

I'd be pretty surprised if the Nucks' moved Horvat. He is our version of Bennett.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Canuck fans have compared Horvat to Monahan AND Bennett now? Good grief.

[Captaincanada80]

I think one thing that is being overlooked in the Stamkos debate is the fact that your gaining a top end asset for free. There is obviously going to be the over-payment factor in that equation. Set his true value at whatever number 6.5M-7.5M. If you end up having to pony up 9.5M to get the player essentially which is basically paying 2-3M per year for that free asset.

Much as the thought pattern the previous few years in taking on a bad contract player for a prospect or pick, this will probably work similar.

If you think Stamkos can continue at a resonable pace for the duration of the contact then you do this bearing you have the cap space and limited "bad contracts" in the system.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Stamkos can easily turn into a negative asset if he signs for 7x$10m and puts up 60ish points every year. We've seen first hand what oodles of cap space can turn into if you're not careful.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

The only reason Crosby's cap hit is so low is because it's a cheater, back diving deal from the old CBA. For that reason, You can't compare Stamkos' new deal to Crosby's old one. If Crosby was a UFA this summer, I have no doubt he would get at least $11m AAV, and that's after the worst season of his career.

Exactly. Crosby is making $12 million this season; at least $10 million for the next three seasons; and at least $9 million for the next three after that. If you just counted the first 8 years of Crosby's contract, the cap hit would be $10.8 million.