Israel declares war on Hamas

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

https://apple.news/A-Vmj11H_TsW-0dWSPto3mA

Wall Street Journal: Hamas Military Compound Found Beneath U.N. Agency Headquarters in Gaza Subterranean complex had air-conditioned room with computer servers, office space

“A Wall Street Journal reporter and journalists from other news organizations visited the site this past week in a trip organized by Israel’s military. A tunnel also appeared to pass beneath a U.N.-run school near the headquarters.”

Do they say why they demolished the tunnels before independent observers got to view them?

Weird? You'd think they'd be be protecting this evidence. Not destroying it?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Do they say why they demolished the tunnels before independent observers got to view them?

Weird? You'd think they'd be be protecting this evidence. Not destroying it?

Because they are destroying everything that's Hamas and moving on to the next target, they take pictures, take anything valuable like computers and paperwork and scuttle the rooms, do you really think they should appoint a security detail to protect underground rooms?

[Bagor]

No. I really think that if they are making an allegation as serious as this they should be allowing independent observers to verify if they actually have evidence.

Because. Yeah there were tunnels but they're gone now doesn't sound convincing

Why destroy the evidence? Why not wait a few days to show it off? It's not as if they haven't got control of the area.

[Language]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Do they say why they demolished the tunnels before independent observers got to view them?

Weird? You'd think they'd be be protecting this evidence. Not destroying it?

The article clearly states that “a Wall Street Journal reporter and journalists from other news organizations visited the site this past week in a trip organized by Israel’s military.”

What more independent observers do you expect? They led a tour and have pictures/videos. Are they supposed to protect this tunnel in the middle of a war zone, as a museum exhibit?

You’re seriously grasping at straws here. Sounds like unless they brought you down into the tunnels yourself, you won’t believe anything you read.


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[Bagor]

What other news organizations? The wsj's Israeli guy, The Times of Israel and...?

Not grasping.

It's a serious accusation warranting verification from independent sources. And no I don't believe unverified allegations.

[Doctorfever]

Nm

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Beninho

It is in the article which you already dismissed as IDF lies. I am not getting into a circular argument with you.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s OK, you can pretend all you want. Evidence speaks for itself.

Ahhh the evidence.

So you aren’t going to believe the link about the Hamas data center u der the UNRWA building right?

Let’s really try and turn this discussion around. Haha.

Are you ok with your tax dollars funding the UNRWA? Do you think that is money well spent?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Ahhh the evidence.

So you aren’t going to believe the link about the Hamas data center u der the UNRWA building right?

Let’s really try and turn this discussion around. Haha.

Are you ok with your tax dollars funding the UNRWA? Do you think that is money well spent?

Why are you pretending you care when you support Hamas?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Why are you pretending you care when you support Hamas?

To be honest, you’re really not worth the time.

You respond to serious questions with answers like “support Hamas.” You’re not a serious person and it would be probably better if you just took interest in the topic outside of this thread and just looked into what some scholars and experts have to say on the subject.

Even if they agree or disagree with what I think, I don’t care, just read something intelligent and come back with an opinion informed by something actually worthwhile so that you have something to add to the discussion.

[PepsiFree]

I see you still haven’t taken that advice. Too bad. I’ll wait.

[Brendone]

You guys sure are stuck in a loop. Not sure if it’s a “groundhog day” or “Dormammu, I’ve come to bargain” loop, but it’s a good one

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Brendone

You guys sure are stuck in a loop. Not sure if it’s a “groundhog day” or “Dormammu, I’ve come to bargain” loop, but it’s a good one

If we’re not going to solve the crisis, the least I can do is enjoy myself.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by doctorfever

ahhh the evidence.

So you aren’t going to believe the link about the hamas data center u der the unrwa building right?

Let’s really try and turn this discussion around. Haha.

Are you ok with your tax dollars funding the unrwa? Do you think that is money well spent?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1756528037376499862

I couldn't imagine going through life being this credulous and simple

[Firebot]

Two Israeli hostages have just been rescued.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-w...updates-786435

At what cost? Apparently the IDF appears used carpet bombing of Rafah a heavily populated area with refugees to hide the intent of the rescue which is currently ongoing.

Very graphic (NSFL) aftermath of the bombing that started during the Super Bowl on r/palestine and r/israelcrimes, a reminder to take all information objectively and not just look at what affirms a viewpoint.

[Manhattanboy]

Quite the indictment of the UN and UNRWA by the Wall Street Journal editorial board.

https://apple.news/ARRJCsQSlS52YQrC33JaS0Q

Hamas Was Right Under Unrwa’s Nose
The United Nations agency looked the other way, keeping Gaza safe for Hamas.

“ On Saturday the U.N.’s Special Rapporteur on the Palestinian Territories, Francesca Albanese, took to Twitter to tut-tut French President Emmanuel Macron for calling Oct. 7 “the largest antisemitic massacre of our century.”

“No, Mr. @EmmanuelMacron,” she wrote, “The victims of 7/10 were not killed because of their Judaism, but in response to Israel’s oppression.” Oct. 7 wasn’t antisemitic and was Israel’s fault? Such is the twisted moral universe of the United Nations.

Unrwa’s function is to prevent Palestinians from moving on with their lives. It blocks resettlement and state building, keeping third- and fourth-generation refugees waiting in terrorist-incubating camps for an eventual return after the destruction of Israel. The day after the Gaza war will be a brighter one if Unrwa and Hamas exit the stage together.”

[Southside403]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Quite the indictment of the UN and UNRWA by the Wall Street Journal editorial board.

https://apple.news/ARRJCsQSlS52YQrC33JaS0Q

Hamas Was Right Under Unrwa’s Nose
The United Nations agency looked the other way, keeping Gaza safe for Hamas.

“ On Saturday the U.N.’s Special Rapporteur on the Palestinian Territories, Francesca Albanese, took to Twitter to tut-tut French President Emmanuel Macron for calling Oct. 7 “the largest antisemitic massacre of our century.”

“No, Mr. @EmmanuelMacron,” she wrote, “The victims of 7/10 were not killed because of their Judaism, but in response to Israel’s oppression.” Oct. 7 wasn’t antisemitic and was Israel’s fault? Such is the twisted moral universe of the United Nations.

Unrwa’s function is to prevent Palestinians from moving on with their lives. It blocks resettlement and state building, keeping third- and fourth-generation refugees waiting in terrorist-incubating camps for an eventual return after the destruction of Israel. The day after the Gaza war will be a brighter one if Unrwa and Hamas exit the stage together.”

https://youtu.be/azxtxKyHntA?si=o_FiR4W3BNG_-Eh6
Hope this helps you brother be on the right side of history.

[Bagor]

A Dutch appeals court has ordered the government to block the delivery of parts for F-35 fighter aircraft to Israel over concerns they are being used to violate international law.

The court sided with human rights groups who argued the parts provided from a Dutch warehouse contributed to law violations by Israel in Gaza.
Israel denies committing war crimes.
The Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says more than 28,100 Palestinians have been killed in just over four months.
Israel launched its operations in Gaza after about 1,200 people were killed by Hamas on 7 October, who also took 253 people hostage.
"It is undeniable that there is a clear risk the exported F-35 parts are used in serious violations of international humanitarian law," the Appeals Court in The Hague said.
"Israel does not take sufficient account of the consequences for the civilian population when conducting its attacks," the court added.

https://bbc.com/news/world-europe-68272233

[activeStick]

Quite the reveal today and posted by CBC. Quotes from Rob Oliphant, parliamentary secretary to the foreign affairs minister below.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rob...nrwa-1.7115468

"When I read that we were pausing money to UNRWA — I'm going to be very clear — it was political. And I don't just mean domestic politics. It has to do with our allies," Oliphant told his constituent. "I thought it was the wrong decision."

"You don't stop aid to Gaza because of 12 or 13 employees out of 13,000. It drives me crazy," he said. "It is opportunistic, it is unfair, and it is maligning the operation of a UN organization that is doing, not perfect work — there's no organization that's made of human beings that's perfect, UNRWA has its faults. But it is the best we have for education, for medical care, for food, all of those things."

"I would have done it completely differently. I would have immediately said exactly the same money will flow to humanitarian assistance, we'll just find other ways to do it temporarily," he said.

"Our government bungled that and we should have announced it the same day. All that money and more needs to go to Gaza for instantaneous humanitarian aid.

"We have half a million people at starvation levels. We're going to have cholera. We're going to have all kinds of things in Gaza. We need an immediate ceasefire."

"I will defend UNRWA forever. Their work in Lebanon, their work in Jordan, I've been there, I've been to the refugee camps," he said. "I've examined the curriculum that people have gone crazy about, saying it's antisemitic. I don't believe it is. I think UNRWA is maligned every day."

"But I also understand that [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu is hurting Israel. Not only killing Gazans, but hurting Israel. So for the love of Israel, tell him to stop."

"Do I believe there's genocidal activity on the part of Israel?" he said on the call. "Probably yes, from what I have seen."

"Liberals made the decision to suspend life-saving funding to UNRWA without having seen any evidence of allegations or having waited for the results of the independent investigation," she said in question period. "UNRWA is the only organization that can reach Palestinians in Gaza who are starving and who are being killed in the tens of thousands, and the government cut life-saving support.

"The decision needs to be reversed, and somebody needs to be held accountable. Was it the minister or was it the PMO that decided Canada should turn its back on starving Palestinians?"

"My heart falls down in my body," he said. "My heart hurts, because the only way to get that aid there is UNRWA.

"We can't have 200 trucks a day. We need 800 trucks a day. We need more entry points. We need water access from the Mediterranean. And we need to push on those points. But we also need UNRWA, which is the only body that has the infrastructure to deliver the aid."

"Israel needs to pay for rebuilding the country it destroyed. I don't want to pay for that," he said, before acknowledging that Canada likely will be called on to contribute something, p
along with Gulf Arab nations.

[TherapyforGlencross]

Good dammit, that was a well-written defence. I was critical of the UNRWA, still am, but if he doesn’t have good points. I never outright said imy opinion of the UNRWA on here, but I think I was wrong in the way I thought. It’s slowly becoming clearer to me. I’m now leaning the way he is. There’s millions of people in need, not just in Gaza, but all around the Middle East and world. This is akin to destroying the supply chain of aid. Have the countries who withdrew aid, stated where that money is going towards, anyways?

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Leondros

I think the suspension was virtually required after the allegations. Canada is still conducting its investigation and may very well find that the allegations of the 12 members participating in the attacks is false. If that’s the case they may resume funding.


I think right now it would be irresponsible to pull all funding from the organization that has historically been the engine that provides healthcare and facilities other entities for aid such as water, food, medicine, etc. If funding is to be pulled it should be phased so that the Gazan refugees who need assistance can get it right now rather than die.

The above article echoes my sentiment in a much more eloquent manner. It was a political knee jerk reaction that was absolutely irresponsible.