2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Matty81]

Since this is a thread for speculation, a three way trade with Arizona and Anaheim makes the most sense:

To Calgary: Nick Ritchie
To Arizona: Curtis Lazar
To Anaheim: Anthony Duclair

Calgary coveted Ritchie at that draft and needs size and toughness and the scuttlebut is he's on the block. Anaheim needs a left shot to replace Ritchie, covets team speed and already has good toughness. Arizona is a dumpster fire that needs to move Duclair after his public trade demand and already has a comparable player to Ritchie in Crouse, would be able to give Lazar top 9 minutes he needs to thrive.

Too bad the teams are all in the West, if they weren't so afraid to make interdivision trades these days it makes too much sense.

[Love]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Since this is a thread for speculation, a three way trade with Arizona and Anaheim makes the most sense:

To Calgary: Nick Ritchie
To Arizona: Curtis Lazar
To Anaheim: Anthony Duclair

Calgary coveted Ritchie at that draft and needs size and toughness. Anaheim needs a left shot to replace Ritchie, needs speed and already has toughness. Arizona is a dumpster fire that needs to move Duclair after his public trade demand and already has a comparable player to Ritchie in Crouse.

Too bad the teams are all in the West, if they weren't so afraid to make interdivision trades these days it makes too much sense.

It makes no sense for whoever is acquiring Lazar. He’s horrible. It’s more fair if you just left it a Ritchie for Duclair deal.

[StrykerSteve]

Duclair - Hrivik - Mangiapane

Now that’s an effective 4th line in today’s NHL.

[united]

Why would Arizona want anything to do with Lazar?

They are all-in on analytics, and Lazar was one of the worst forwards on the Senators in the view of analytics, and is one of the worst forwards on the Flames in the view of analytics. Plus he is signed for an additional year at a salary higher than his cap hit. Arizona probably wouldn't even trade a 7th-round pick for Lazar.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Love

It makes no sense for whoever is acquiring Lazar. He’s horrible. It’s more fair if you just left it a Ritchie for Duclair deal.

It's a futures trade of guys who are struggling in their current role/team.

Lazar has a career high of 20 points, Ritchie's in 28. Lazar's faster, Ritchie is more physical. I don't think it's that much of a reach. Maybe Calgary could chip in a conditional 6th or 7th based on performance incentives one way or another.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Since this is a thread for speculation, a three way trade with Arizona and Anaheim makes the most sense:

To Calgary: Nick Ritchie
To Arizona: Curtis Lazar
To Anaheim: Anthony Duclair

Calgary coveted Ritchie at that draft and needs size and toughness and the scuttlebut is he's on the block. Anaheim needs a left shot to replace Ritchie, covets team speed and already has good toughness. Arizona is a dumpster fire that needs to move Duclair after his public trade demand and already has a comparable player to Ritchie in Crouse, would be able to give Lazar top 9 minutes he needs to thrive.

Too bad the teams are all in the West, if they weren't so afraid to make interdivision trades these days it makes too much sense.

this makes no sense from Anaheim's POV. The other teams are trading guys that haven't delivered. Ritchie is right on track from a development point of view and clearly the Ducks are high on him still.
Why are they trading him for this type of return?

[Mass_nerder]

Yeah, Ritchie is pretty much where I would have expected him to be. He's been okay to good, whereas Lazar and Duclair are obviously struggling.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Isn't part of the problem with Duclair his supposed attitude issues? And his work ethic? And his lack of commitment to defence? I think that is why Duclair hasn't been working out.

IF the above is true, then I would sooner keep Lazar. Kid has a good attitude, and if he doesn't develop his scoring side, I bet he would make for an effective bottom-six type in the long run.

Duclair had one good season in the NHL (20 goals, and 44 points), but has been terrible since. He was even demoted last season to the AHL. He is like Shinkaruk in a way to me - not talented enough for the top 6, not gritty/defensively capable enough to find a role in the bottom 6. I think I would rather hold onto the current reclamation project named Lazar before giving up so soon and trying another reclamation project in Duclair.

The worst team in the NHL thinks he is not good enough to play for them. I don't see a spot open for him here either.

[nightfx]

Originally Posted by Matty81

It's a futures trade of guys who are struggling in their current role/team.

Lazar has a career high of 20 points, Ritchie's in 28. Lazar's faster, Ritchie is more physical. I don't think it's that much of a reach. Maybe Calgary could chip in a conditional 6th or 7th based on performance incentives one way or another.

Any GM that does that does their homework will see that Duclair and Ritchie do not have issues with talent, just consistency and work ethic. The problem is the opposite for Lazar, he works hard but the talent is simply not there.

If I'm trading for a young player there needs to be upside and Lazar's upside is most likely 3rd/4th line whereas the other two easily have enough talent to be top 6 at some point.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Duclair - Hrivik - Mangiapane

Now that’s an effective 4th line in today’s NHL.

None of these guys are even full time NHLers yet...I would give it a shot but still

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by nightfx

Any GM that does that does their homework will see that Duclair and Ritchie do not have issues with talent, just consistency and work ethic. The problem is the opposite for Lazar, he works hard but the talent is simply not there.

If I'm trading for a young player there needs to be upside and Lazar's upside is most likely 3rd/4th line whereas the other two easily have enough talent to be top 6 at some point.

Are you absolutely sure it is a talent issue? Perhaps it is a confidence issue.

Remember that it wasn't long ago that there were people on this forum calling Bennett a bust, and actually saying that the kid has no IQ. Repeatedly. Ad nauseam. Anybody left here that still thinks Bennett is a talentless, brainless bust?

That is what I see with Lazar. Obviously his talent level is nowhere near Bennett, but I see a kid who has lost complete confidence and is almost playing rattled. Tough to fix him - difficult to give him more minutes until he plays himself out of it, but that is what I see with him more than a lack of talent.

FYI - at the draft, he was considered a very safe pick with high-end defensive acumen, leadership abilities and was thought of as being the 'backbone' to a future shutdown line while chipping in nicely offensively. I still think he can become that. His work ethic is there, his willingness to do whatever is asked of him is there.... he is just a rattled player in my opinion, and he just needs to start getting some bounces to start feeling comfortable out on the ice and in handling the puck.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Are you absolutely sure it is a talent issue? Perhaps it is a confidence issue.

Remember that it wasn't long ago that there were people on this forum calling Bennett a bust, and actually saying that the kid has no IQ. Repeatedly. Ad nauseam. Anybody left here that still thinks Bennett is a talentless, brainless bust?

That is what I see with Lazar. Obviously his talent level is nowhere near Bennett, but I see a kid who has lost complete confidence and is almost playing rattled. Tough to fix him - difficult to give him more minutes until he plays himself out of it, but that is what I see with him more than a lack of talent.

FYI - at the draft, he was considered a very safe pick with high-end defensive acumen, leadership abilities and was thought of as being the 'backbone' to a future shutdown line while chipping in nicely offensively. I still think he can become that. His work ethic is there, his willingness to do whatever is asked of him is there.... he is just a rattled player in my opinion, and he just needs to start getting some bounces to start feeling comfortable out on the ice and in handling the puck.

I think it is a talent issue with Lazar. I just don't believe he is ever going to become much of anything more than what he is now.

[Manhattanboy]

Not sure if this has been posted but The Score writer thinks MTL should trade Max Pacioretty to the Flames in a deal involving Sam Bennett in return. Also mentioned SJ and PIT as possible destinations.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Not sure if this has been posted but The Score writer thinks MTL should trade Max Pacioretty to the Flames in a deal involving Sam Bennett in return. Also mentioned SJ and PIT as possible destinations.

Sportsnet has an article with the laughable offer of Bennett and Dube for Pacioretty. Absolutely do not want on the Flames unless we absolutely fleece Montreal. A long term deal for Patches after next season is going to hurt whichever team signs it

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sportsnet has an article with the laughable offer of Bennett and Dube for Pacioretty. Absolutely do not want on the Flames unless we absolutely fleece Montreal. A long term deal for Patches after next season is going to hurt whichever team signs it

Is that ever stupid. Bennett by himself would be a deal the Flames would regret. Patches won't outplay Ferland on the top line.

[ComixZone]

Trading Bennett (and Dube? Haha) for Patches would be lunacy, and would in one swift blow completely destroy any faith I’d have in this organization.

[Braden]

A 1 for 1 of Duclair and Lazar would never happen. Just for quick number comparison. I just feel his value is alot more then what a few people are suggesting.
Duclair 32 GP 8G 6A 14pts -5
Lazar 26 GP 0G 4A 4pts -6
Frolik 37 GP 7G 8A 15pts -3

[Manhattanboy]

Agree, would not trade Bennett for Pacioretty straight up (let alone include Dube or any other prospect).

[David Struch]

I'd trade Bennett for Brendan Gallagher & Karl Alzner.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by David Struch

I'd trade Bennett for Brendan Gallagher & Karl Alzner.

Nope, not a chance.

Gallagher is good, Bennett will be better, and Alzner is awful.