I do get it, trust me I do get it. I don't think other's get it. Putin isn't a spineless leader, he does exactly what he wants to do, end of story.
He called Obama's bluff in Syria, he just called Biden's bluff on chemical weapons just now from reports that they have been used.
So I go back to my original thought process and ask, where is this going to go and end? He isn't going to stop. Pay attention to when he talks, he actually means what he says.
He is about up front as possible about other countries bordering Russia joining NATO. Full stop, don't do it or else he says. Sweden and Finland have just now started the process on joining NATO literally by the summer. Do we think he is just going to sit around and wait for the ribbon cutting ceremony?
At what point do the worlds most powerful countries both economically and militarily actually get down to business and take care of it?? How does this not end with the US and other countries getting about as involved as possible?
I get it, he has nukes. If the west *****y foots around here, it's going to be open season from all the other countries that got their own beef. North Korea, Iran, China.
If we believe Putin, and nothing has shown us to not believe him, when this continues and he pushes the boundary even more and likely tests light nuke's, significant chemical weapons against civilians and more, we will probably have to respond and the question will be asked, why not sooner?
Sometimes in life you can either be first, smarter or even dirtier than your opponent. Sometimes it's a hell of a lot easier to just be first and ahead of the game.
seriously? You want to play dirtier than the Russians before they do?
sure. lets invade Russia, rape the women, kill the children and then use chemical weapons. Oh and just to be safe, send in a few nukes. Dagnabbit we'll show Putin who's boss.
How many millions worldwide do you want killed because you want to be the tough guy on the block? this isn't a street fight behind the bar.
The leaders of the west are trying to stop Russia while also limiting the deaths as much as they can, while keeping this from becoming a world war with or without nukes.
you seem to want us all to die horribly, but that's ok as long as Russians die first.
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I do get it, trust me I do get it. I don't think other's get it. Putin isn't a spineless leader, he does exactly what he wants to do, end of story.
He called Obama's bluff in Syria, he just called Biden's bluff on chemical weapons just now from reports that they have been used.
So I go back to my original thought process and ask, where is this going to go and end? He isn't going to stop. Pay attention to when he talks, he actually means what he says.
He is about up front as possible about other countries bordering Russia joining NATO. Full stop, don't do it or else he says. Sweden and Finland have just now started the process on joining NATO literally by the summer. Do we think he is just going to sit around and wait for the ribbon cutting ceremony?
At what point do the worlds most powerful countries both economically and militarily actually get down to business and take care of it?? How does this not end with the US and other countries getting about as involved as possible?
I get it, he has nukes. If the west *****y foots around here, it's going to be open season from all the other countries that got their own beef. North Korea, Iran, China.
If we believe Putin, and nothing has shown us to not believe him, when this continues and he pushes the boundary even more and likely tests light nuke's, significant chemical weapons against civilians and more, we will probably have to respond and the question will be asked, why not sooner?
Sometimes in life you can either be first, smarter or even dirtier than your opponent. Sometimes it's a hell of a lot easier to just be first and ahead of the game.
You are positively hopeless on this issue and have the world's worst take. I'm not saying you're dumb, but the thought of us attacking Russia at this stage in the game is probably the dumbest plan I have ever heard in my entire life. It's like you want to take this god-awful situation for Ukraine and make it orders of magnitude worse for every human being on the planet. Are you unaware of the concept of taking a bad situation and making it worse? Because that's what you're proposing.
Honestly, the west is trying to keep this contained to Ukraine whilst inflicting as much damage as possible on Russia and its soldiers. That's all we can do and more than we're obligated to do, too.
Sometimes in life there are no-win situations. This is one of them. The goal is to limit how bad it is. We can't make the bad go away.
Do you really want young Canadian men between 18 and 25 shipping off to Russia and coming home in body bags? Do you want Russia to launch a nuclear missile at Toronto? Jfc, guy. No, we don't want to attack Russia. We're absolutely defenseless against a nuclear attack. Let's not invite one because that would be the dumbest thing anybody who has ever lived would have ever done.
We cannot attack Russia. Get it out of your head. It's terrible.
You are positively hopeless on this issue and have the world's worst take. I'm not saying you're dumb, but the thought of us attacking Russia at this stage in the game is probably the dumbest plan I have ever heard in my entire life. It's like you want to take this god-awful situation for Ukraine and make it orders of magnitude worse for every human being on the planet. Are you unaware of the concept of taking a bad situation and making it worse? Because that's what you're proposing.
Honestly, the west is trying to keep this contained to Ukraine whilst inflicting as much damage as possible on Russia and its soldiers. That's all we can do and more than we're obligated to do, too.
Sometimes in life there are no-win situations. This is one of them. The goal is to limit how bad it is. We can't make the bad go away.
Do you really want young Canadian men between 18 and 25 shipping off to Russia and coming home in body bags? Do you want Russia to launch a nuclear missile at Toronto? Jfc, guy. No, we don't want to attack Russia. We're absolutely defenseless against a nuclear attack. Let's not invite one because that would be the dumbest thing anybody who has ever lived would have ever done.
We cannot attack Russia. Get it out of your head. It's terrible.
Are you guys sure he isn't a Russian Bot?
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seriously? You want to play dirtier than the Russians before they do?
sure. lets invade Russia, rape the women, kill the children and then use chemical weapons. Oh and just to be safe, send in a few nukes. Dagnabbit we'll show Putin who's boss.
How many millions worldwide do you want killed because you want to be the tough guy on the block? this isn't a street fight behind the bar.
The leaders of the west are trying to stop Russia while also limiting the deaths as much as they can, while keeping this from becoming a world war with or without nukes.
you seem to want us all to die horribly, but that's ok as long as Russians die first.
This.
Just like another previous Call of Duty Sociopath who wanted to level a Russian town indiscriminately killing tens of thousands of innocent lives, Western nations can't resort that kind of retaliation.
It sets up a justified counter attack for the Russians that would send nukes our way, killing millions. Now I know we've also got the nukes too and we'd nuke Russia in response, but at the end of the day, you still have millions dead on your own side
I am nobody other than me, asking basic questions that a lot of people are asking. Sounds like some people want to move goal posts or redline's. Obama's famous redline come comes to mind.
The US President has called for the removal of Putin, the prosecution of his top officials for war crimes and that NATO will respond if Putin uses chemical weapons. I didn't say this, the US President and other leaders have.
My post was in relation to war crimes and making sure that when this does end that the appropriate people are charged with war crimes. If the people who's sole job is to do that, can't do that, than what the hell are they actually doing?
Putin has planned in a lot of ways for this for years. The rest of the world is responding and on the defensive. The next little while is going to prove very telling to see where the west actually is on certain issues and will have to adjust accordingly one way or another, which to the west's credit, more so than some expected.
You are positively hopeless on this issue and have the world's worst take. I'm not saying you're dumb, but the thought of us attacking Russia at this stage in the game is probably the dumbest plan I have ever heard in my entire life. It's like you want to take this god-awful situation for Ukraine and make it orders of magnitude worse for every human being on the planet. Are you unaware of the concept of taking a bad situation and making it worse? Because that's what you're proposing.
Honestly, the west is trying to keep this contained to Ukraine whilst inflicting as much damage as possible on Russia and its soldiers. That's all we can do and more than we're obligated to do, too.
Sometimes in life there are no-win situations. This is one of them. The goal is to limit how bad it is. We can't make the bad go away.
Do you really want young Canadian men between 18 and 25 shipping off to Russia and coming home in body bags? Do you want Russia to launch a nuclear missile at Toronto? Jfc, guy. No, we don't want to attack Russia. We're absolutely defenseless against a nuclear attack. Let's not invite one because that would be the dumbest thing anybody who has ever lived would have ever done.
We cannot attack Russia. Get it out of your head. It's terrible.
Not only that, which is all true, Ukraine is technically winning this war. They've repelled major offensives around their capital and have crippled the Russian forces.
Why would you do any of what he proposes now?
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seriously? You want to play dirtier than the Russians before they do?
sure. lets invade Russia, rape the women, kill the children and then use chemical weapons. Oh and just to be safe, send in a few nukes. Dagnabbit we'll show Putin who's boss.
How many millions worldwide do you want killed because you want to be the tough guy on the block? this isn't a street fight behind the bar.
The leaders of the west are trying to stop Russia while also limiting the deaths as much as they can, while keeping this from becoming a world war with or without nukes.
you seem to want us all to die horribly, but that's ok as long as Russians die first.
That was a poorly written post. Sometimes in life I am a firm believer in being first or being ahead of your opponent. It's a lot easier to be on the offensive than on the defensive. Sometimes people think they are too smart when it's just easier to be first out of the gate. The playing dirty is a way that SOME people can get ahead in life and in business, I am not suggesting that, just saying it's an option in some aspects in life but its always just easier to be first and ahead of the game.
Perhaps the US and Ukraine could have started off in December with an acknowledgement that Ukraine will never join NATO. Full stop. There are always things that can be done first.
I personally don't see Putin stopping at this particular stage and perhaps even going through harder. What happens with Finland and Sweden joining NATO will be fascinating. He is against this stuff full stop.
If this new general, the Butcher of Syria, really has orders for a scorched earth withdrawal, I think that the Russians are living in a dream world where they can just throw up their hands and say, "no harm done".
Ukraine will continue to be fed arms from the West, and will continue to get top notch intel. If Russia falls into Donbas, and Ukraine sets up a defensive perimetre there, I can see Europe offering all of it's strategic know-how into Ukraine retaking Crimea, and denying Russia it's deep water port on the Black Sea.
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Not only that, which is all true, Ukraine is technically winning this war. They've repelled major offensives around their capital and have crippled the Russian forces.
Why would you do any of what he proposes now?
As I had mentioned in a previous post, my original post was wondering what the hell the UN is doing and what the purpose of the UN is in these regards. This isn't me asking these questions, millions are. I also mentioned prosecuting the leaders for war crimes. Clearly what we are seeing from a civilian perspective isn't actually war but something else. Holds these top dog bastards to account when the time is right. We aren't going to cave and bow down to these ****s
Zelensky asks the same question, wondering about the bureaucratic BS that goes on there. On one of the more popular political shows in the US, Real Time with Bill Maher that was a main topic of discussion the other day.
I am not suggesting we send in millions of boots on the ground from NATO but at least start calling some bluffs. To my credit, that does appear to be changing as well. More countries are willing to provide more direct level weapons and deadlier weapons, heavier equipment. The US is now encouraging the delivery of fighter jets to Ukraine, going back on their "analysts" reports that more fighter planes wouldn't help.
Things are changing because we can't allow Russia to win, we can't have this level of destruction continue. My line if thinking is very much aligned with Ukraine's and Zelensky's. We need to prevail for democracy or else we have nothing.
MOD updates for the day. Ukrainians have pushed northwards east of Izium and appear to have destroyed a number of Russian convoy vehicles in what looks like an attempt to cut off the flow of convoy supplies heading to Kramatorsk. Line otherwise appear unchanged.
Oryx now tracking the confirmed heavy weapons systems being sent to Ukraine by EU/American allies. Poland is already confirmed to be sending 100 T-72 tanks while Germans/Rheinmetall are currently in discussion to send 50 Leopard 1 tanks, and up to 100 Marder IFVs to Ukraine and are expected to confirm this soon. https://twitter.com/user/status/1513588038353530880
The dust has yet to settle but losses by Russia are extreme, even by prior standards.
That's the most puzzling thing for me. Russian has used that dirty banned hellis much talked about nightmarish chemical weapons. I mean, when people were reporting Bucha and other atrocities, everyone was like "it will be even worse if Russia will use chemical weapons", "if Russians use nuclear weapons, all bets are off". And the result is 3 wounded guys.
That's the most puzzling thing for me. Russian has used that dirty banned hellis much talked about nightmarish chemical weapons. I mean, when people were reporting Bucha and other atrocities, everyone was like "it will be even worse if Russia will use chemical weapons", "if Russians use nuclear weapons, all bets are off". And the result is 3 wounded guys.
The term "chemical weapons" is very broad. When people talk about, they picture the most extreme cases like with what Saddam Hussein pulled on the Kurds. Technically tear gas is a chemical weapon, one that law enforcement across the world uses occasionally but no one refers to it as a "chemical weapon" in those scenarios. I am not sure what the Russian military used in this case, but it sounds like it was something less drastic than what most people think of right away when they hear it.
The more worrisome thing is how much the line gets pushed until the types of chemicals used do become extreme, and especially if it gets deployed in civilian areas.
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I mean the whole attack to me sounds weird, dropping something from the drone and only three people get hurt. Maybe its a choking agent like tear gas. But its not something more insidious like a blister agent, or even what makes up the main part of Russia's chemical arsenal which is Sarin, Soman or a really persistent agent like VX, which are really efficient killers and are persistent droplets instead of gas.
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As I had mentioned in a previous post, my original post was wondering what the hell the UN is doing and what the purpose of the UN is in these regards. This isn't me asking these questions, millions are. I also mentioned prosecuting the leaders for war crimes. Clearly what we are seeing from a civilian perspective isn't actually war but something else. Holds these top dog bastards to account when the time is right. We aren't going to cave and bow down to these ****s
People want the UN to be some kind of righteous champion of human rights and peacekeeping but it's real underlying mandate is to prevent WWIII.
It was formed out of the failure of the League of Nations from preventing WWII (which was in itself formed out of the failure of the detente system from preventing WWI).
There is a reason why the permanent security council includes Russia, the UK, France, US, and China. It's made up of the victors of WWII so they will be able to engage each other as the expected dominant post-war powers.
Preventing WWIII is exactly why nobody is directly helping Ukraine against Russia and only providing supplies and lethal aid. They do not want to stoke Russia into contemplating using its nuclear stockpile.
Lets be honest, the UN is a debating club, its inefficient by design, cannot really project power. Its literally the 21st century version of the vatican. "How many tanks does the Pope have?".
For the most part when the UN takes the field, its there to flash the blue beret and be really inefficient, badly lead and woefully inadequte.
Peace keeping is dead, if the UN calls for a peacekeeping force, they'll die enmasse while learning that when decisive orders are needed or life saving decisions that the UN closes at 5 and you're just going to need to leave a voice mail.
So I don't see why people are calling on the UN to do something. In a situation like this, and lets be honest most situations, there's nothing that they can do.
sanctions, yup, absolutely, write nastily worded letters . . . . for sure. Throw a permanent member nation off of the security council? Nope, Russia's seat and the veto are written into the UN charter, good luck opening that one up because Russia would literally have to approve a change to the Charter.
Is NATO going to do anything. I mean they have all the gunz and soldiers in the world? Nope, because Ukraine is not one of theirs, and as bad as the russian's have looked militarily, nobody wants to get into a land battle in Europe with the Russians, and nobody wants to push Putin into a nuclear corner, cause he'll do it man, now put down the gun . . . oh wait.
Shipping in weapons is helpful, shipping in heavy weapons is helpful. But at some point, the Ukranian Military is simply going to need casualty replacements that they don't have.
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