2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

Restocking the cupboards? No.

We have a 4 year window left (Gaudreau contract) to win the cup. You do everything in your power to win. Cupboards be bare.

Cupboards already be bare.

When was the last time a rental that cost a 1st+ helped a team win the cup?

Flames are deep and young and hopefully will be in position to win beyond Gaudreaus contract. Maybe if the team looks good moving forward he re-signs?

Barring major injury this team is not really lacking in any area so why trade picks when our prospect base is already depleted?

[Toonage]

Spending picks on rentals? Not likely to happen this year.

Spending picks on a new starting goaltender? Almost a lock to happen this off season.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Spending picks on rentals? Not likely to happen this year.

Spending picks on a new starting goaltender? Almost a lock to happen this off season.

I see the Flames moving a player with salary for a goalie before they move picks. I think Brodie could be moved this summer has he has rebuilt his value, will be entering the last year of his deal and we have Hanifin, Andersson, Valimaki, Kylington coming. I also see Hamonic as the guy they want to keep between he and Brodie. He is the right shot, plays physical, wants to be here, and is an amazing person in the community

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Spending picks on rentals? Not likely to happen this year.



Spending picks on a new starting goaltender? Almost a lock to happen this off season.

With the number of quality goalies hitting UFA this summer I would much prefer to keep the picks.

Also, I think the “window” is not something that anyone can really project. Yes, Gaudreau’s deal expires after three more years, but that is practically an eternity in hockey. A lot can happen between now and then, and I do not think it a foregone conclusion that Gaudreau will leave Calgary. Even if he does, I don’t expect that it leaves such a gaping hole the team is unable to fill. He’s not McDavid, and the Flames are a hell of a lot better than the Oilers.

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[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I also see Hamonic as the guy they want to keep between he and Brodie. He is the right shot, plays physical, wants to be here

Agreed, Brodie will be the one to go, Hamonic re-signed.

The right shooting Andersson graduates to the Giordano pairing with Hanifin & Hamonic on the 2nd pair and then you have Valimaki & Kylington nipping at Giordano's heels.

[edslunch]

I'd prefer they build up picks, though they will be lower value as the team does better. The Hamonic deal hurts a bit from that perspective - not the deal itself, that's been discussed ad nauseaum - just that it turned out to be a higher pick than the Flames will have for a while.

[Toonage]

Treliving has been left at the dance with the best of whats left, not the one he wanted, for a few years now. Its the one item that has truly eluded him to this point as GM.

I am 100% certain he secures this in the off season, as early as possible. No more waiting, no more crossing fingers and hoping a player makes it to July 1.

Just my opinion of course.

[Nelson]

It always depends on the actual circumstances, but in general, I don't want the Flames trading any picks for rentals.

If anything, I'd love them to acquire picks. I wouldn't want them to trade any of their starting guys or their young, developing players, but if there is a young, fringe player that can bring back picks because that player has had a particularly good season, I would trade that player. I'm thinking specifically of Hathaway.

But I'm not sure that's realistic so I think my likely, preferred situation is the Flames don't trade for or trade away any picks before the 2019 NHL Draft.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Cupboards already be bare.

When was the last time a rental that cost a 1st+ helped a team win the cup?

Flames are deep and young and hopefully will be in position to win beyond Gaudreaus contract. Maybe if the team looks good moving forward he re-signs?

Barring major injury this team is not really lacking in any area so why trade picks when our prospect base is already depleted?

I don't see Gaudreau leaving before he becomes the Flames all time point getter.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Cupboards already be bare.

When was the last time a rental that cost a 1st+ helped a team win the cup?

Vermette, 2015?

[David Struch]

^ Ruslan Fedotenko 2003.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't see Gaudreau leaving before he becomes the Flames all time point getter.

Not so sure about this one.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Gaudreau end up going to Phil/Bos/NYR/NJ by the time his current deal expires. To me it seems more likely than not.

he's from this area and I'm sure he would like to play for a team closer to home family & friends. But also, the Flames dug in pretty hard during their negotiations. IIRC Jonny & his agent were looking for around 8 and ended up coming in well under. His deal is a bargain for the Flames. It has been speculated that part of their capitulation was some of the Flames were in contact with Jonny asking him to sign and start the season on time. I don't think any of this is bound to repeat itself. Next contract, he's getting paid. I find it next to impossible he accepts a 'home town discount'.

If he resigns here, it's going to be 9-10+.

Anyway, this is all pure speculation & shouldn't be an issue for 2-3 years. I just wouldn't be so sure that he's here for another contract past this one.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by David Struch

^ Ruslan Fedotenko 2003.

Ouch

[alan21]

Originally Posted by David Struch

^ Ruslan Fedotenko 2003.

Can we get a lifetime ban on this?

[rohara66]

Gaudreau to Philly/NY/NJ/Boston is 100% speculation that Johnny wants to 'go home' to play hockey. Honestly I dont see it as big of a risk as some people do.



One time he was asked how it would be to play hockey in Philly and his response was something like "yea, that'd be cool" and now everyone is convinced he's gone as soon as his currently contract is up. How else was he suppose to answer that question?



Funny how rumors are created.

[sureLoss]

Not a surprise with all the injuries the Kings find themselves in.

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[KootenayFlamesFan]

No Leafs on waivers today, they have to move someone so could be a trade in the works.

[keenan87]

I have 0 issues with trading a first round pick for another player who is young and can contribute on the team. I would be against trading a first round pick for any player who is over 25.

Honestly, it's all hypothetical but I would have definitely given up a first round pick for Max Domi last year. It's a lot better to have a player who is proven or proving themselves than hoping for some magic beans (Poirier, Klimchuk, Nemisz, Baertschi, Erixon,Irving, Pelech, Chucko...)

I am just not very high on the Flames ability to make draft picks when they haven't done much with their top round picks in a long time aside from the Top 10 picks when the decision was basically made for them. Backlund and Jankowski are the only 2 players in the past 20 years who were first round picks outside of the Top 10 and have done relatively well (jury still out on Jankowski)... Frankly, I don't think the second round is much better.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I have 0 issues with trading a first round pick for another player who is young and can contribute on the team. I would be against trading a first round pick for any player who is over 25.

Honestly, it's all hypothetical but I would have definitely given up a first round pick for Max Domi last year. It's a lot better to have a player who is proven or proving themselves than hoping for some magic beans (Poirier, Klimchuk, Nemisz, Baertschi, Erixon,Irving, Pelech, Chucko)..

I am just not high on a team's draft picks when they have done absolutely nothing special with their top round picks in a long time aside from the Top 10 picks when the decision was basically made for them. Backlund and Jankowski are the only 2 players in the past 20 years who were first round picks outside of the Top 10 and have done relatively well (jury still out on Jankowski)

Valimaki was selected #16.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Valimaki was selected #16.

My bad on that.. Although, still not an incredible list. Additionally, Valimaki has looked fantastic so far but he still has only played 20+ games in the NHL so there can't be a final decision made on that pick just yet.

But you are right, 3 guys in 20+ years. Only notable (~star) and confirmed one is Backlund.

My point is that it is fine to have draft picks and I am not against them. I just don't agree with the narrative that we need to fill up the prospect cupboards when we can acquire a young player who can contribute. Good teams find ways to fill up the team with solid young players with or without the draft (For example, Tampa Bay). In my opinion, this team needs another solid Top 9 player and if you can acquire one through a trade and give up the first round pick, then I am okay with it as long as they fit in well with the rest of the core.

In 2019-2020:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-???-Neal
Bennett-Backlund-Mangiapane
Dube-Ryan-AHL Guy

Trade Frolik for a pick

Trade Jankowski+1st Round for a young cost-controlled second line center

Once again, hypothetical but people really wouldn't trade Jankowski+1st for a guy like Sean Couturier? May not be realistic but dumber things have happened when a team has had a new GM.