2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1542539734093893634

He has speed, always liked that aspect of him, but he’s never blossomed. Would he with a bigger role I wonder. With Dube maybe.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Eklund with some Flames player “rumors”

Pittsburgh considering Mangiapane offer sheet
Philly trying to move JVR to Seattle or Arizona so they can sign Johnny

If Gaudreau indicates that he is not willing to sign with the Flames how important is it to him and say the Flyers that he get that eighth year?

Normally signing rights for a player are a third round pick.

But what would the Flyers be willing to give up for both the signing rights to Gaudreau and for the Flames taking Van Riemsdyk and his $7M contract off their hands?

Unfortunately the Flyers don't have a second round pick.

But would they be dumb enough to trade to trade their first overall pick?
In a weak to average year for high end talent.

Flames - Van Riemsdyk ($7M cap one year) and 2022 first round pick #5 overall

Flyers - Signing rights to Gaudreau, cap space ($7M), and Flames 2022 second round pick #58 overall

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by shutout

If Gaudreau indicates that he is not willing to sign with the Flames how important is it to him and say the Flyers that he get that eighth year?

Normally signing rights for a player are a third round pick.

But what would the Flyers be willing to give up for both the signing rights to Gaudreau and for the Flames taking Van Riemsdyk and his $7M contract off their hands?

Unfortunately the Flyers don't have a second round pick.

But would they be dumb enough to trade to trade their first overall pick?
In a weak to average year for high end talent.

Flames - Van Riemsdyk ($7M cap one year) and 2022 first round pick #5 overall

Flyers - Signing rights to Gaudreau, cap space ($7M), and Flames 2022 second round pick #58 overall

I was thinking about this as well

[Vinny01]

Johnny walks the Flames are not out of cap jail. They are not in a spot to be taking back big contracts. I think it is cheaper for Philly to send JVR to Seattle than surrender their top pick

[GioforPM]

If nothing else, an offer sheet sets market price for Mangiapane. Might be a favour to Calgary.

[dino7c]

I see why some of you want to rebuild so bad since you think its that easy to acquire the 2023 first rounders of terrible teams and top 5 picks this season

hate to break it to you but its not

Teams like Arizona have been trying to lose for years in preparation for this...they are playing in a 5000 seat stadium next year for FFS. Its laughable to suggest they care about the product on the ice enough to risk their 2023 first.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

An offer sheet to Mangiapane wouldn't be the worst thing. He'd probably get offered in the range of the 1st and 3rd compensation category ($4,201,489 - $6,302,230). Unfortunately, Pittsburgh doesn't have a third for next year at the moment.

I think that they need all their picks to do it too.

Edit: Beat to it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

I think that they need all their picks to do it too.

they do, for an offer sheet you need to use your own picks

Mangi offer sheet is win-win for the Flames, if its high enough for them to even think about not matching the picks are good value

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Johnny walks the Flames are not out of cap jail. They are not in a spot to be taking back big contracts. I think it is cheaper for Philly to send JVR to Seattle than surrender their top pick

The Flames are going to try to re-sign Tkachuk and Gaudreau to long term deals with huge AAV's

They can't do this without clearing cap somehow so they must have a plan in place to do just that.

If Johnny walks, they can still do whatever it is they are planning and sign a UFA or two to take the cap space that was slotted for Johnny.

I'm not saying they SHOULD do this, but I won't be surprised if that's what happens.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Mangi offer sheet is win-win for the Flames, if its high enough for them to even think about not matching the picks are good value

Which is why offer sheets almost never happen, and I don't expect one in this case. Basically, you have to pay the player as if he were a UFA, and give up assets as if you were trading for him. It's the worst of both worlds.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Which is why offer sheets almost never happen, and I don't expect one in this case.

Not sure,

I would think these could get way more common, especially against teams that don't have cap room.

[Roof-Daddy]

I'd rather trade Mangiapane for a good young Dman than get picks in what's projected to be a weak draft.

Honestly, the Flames had three left shooting wingers all have career years in the same season when they were all in the last years of their contracts. The one I care the most about keeping is the only who is a UFA and not an RFA lol. Figures...

If it's possible the Flames should consider cashing in and selling high on Tkachuk and/or Mangiapane if they have enough value to be traded for young players who play a more important position like defense and center.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by flambers

Not sure,

I would think these could get way more common, especially against teams that don't have cap room.

People have been saying this for years, yet.....

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by flambers

Not sure,

I would think these could get way more common,

Many people have thought that for many years, and so far they have always been wrong.

especially against teams that don't have cap room.

*sigh*

More than half the teams in the NHL finished the 2021-22 season over the cap and needed LTIR to remain compliant. Nobody has cap room, except for a handful of teams that don't have the money to spend.

The team that has both the cap room and the cash to throw around offer sheets doesn't exist. And if it did, it would be a better use of resources to sign UFAs and save the picks for the draft.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by shutout

If Gaudreau indicates that he is not willing to sign with the Flames how important is it to him and say the Flyers that he get that eighth year?

Normally signing rights for a player are a third round pick.

But what would the Flyers be willing to give up for both the signing rights to Gaudreau and for the Flames taking Van Riemsdyk and his $7M contract off their hands?

Unfortunately the Flyers don't have a second round pick.

But would they be dumb enough to trade to trade their first overall pick?
In a weak to average year for high end talent.

Flames - Van Riemsdyk ($7M cap one year) and 2022 first round pick #5 overall

Flyers - Signing rights to Gaudreau, cap space ($7M), and Flames 2022 second round pick #58 overall

No, they would not be that dumb. JVR would probably garner at least a 3rd rd pick on the trade market; ergo JVR alone would be sufficient value for Johnny's rights (probably including the 8th year).

While JVR would be a decent stopgap and probably net a better return at TDL, the Flames still couldn't really afford him + Matty + Mangi (without dumping Lucic or running every other empty slot at league min.).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by shutout

If Gaudreau indicates that he is not willing to sign with the Flames how important is it to him and say the Flyers that he get that eighth year?

Normally signing rights for a player are a third round pick.

But what would the Flyers be willing to give up for both the signing rights to Gaudreau and for the Flames taking Van Riemsdyk and his $7M contract off their hands?

Unfortunately the Flyers don't have a second round pick.

But would they be dumb enough to trade to trade their first overall pick?
In a weak to average year for high end talent.

Flames - Van Riemsdyk ($7M cap one year) and 2022 first round pick #5 overall

Flyers - Signing rights to Gaudreau, cap space ($7M), and Flames 2022 second round pick #58 overall

Don’t want JVR. But: JG signed 8 years to Philly. JVR pus something to Seattle. Calgary gets Philly 1st, Seattle 1st.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

People have been saying this for years, yet.....

Last offer sheet occurred in 2021 with Hurricanes

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The Flames are going to try to re-sign Tkachuk and Gaudreau to long term deals with huge AAV's

They can't do this without clearing cap somehow so they must have a plan in place to do just that.

If Johnny walks, they can still do whatever it is they are planning and sign a UFA or two to take the cap space that was slotted for Johnny.

I'm not saying they SHOULD do this, but I won't be surprised if that's what happens.

I just don’t know if they proceed to spend futures to dump Monahan or Lucic if Johnny walks. I don’t see them being a spot to dump high cap hits like JVR. Even if Johnny walks it will be tight.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Don’t want JVR. But: JG signed 8 years to Philly. JVR pus something to Seattle. Calgary gets Philly 1st, Seattle 1st.

Why is the 8th year worth two first-round picks? This is getting silly.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

????
Dubois scored more goals this year than Kakko has scored in his 3 years in the league

True but the Rangers are not going after Dubois, they will need Kakko as part of the package heading to Edmonton after McJesus's NMC kicks in and he requests a trade.