2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What are you even talking about? You don’t think they should have outbid Montreal... but you’re upset they didn’t outbid Montreal?

No smart GM commits to the point of being locked in no matter how high the price goes, and as we’ve seen, it’s not like Treliving has never overpaid in a trade to get the guy he wanted. How did that work out exactly?

This whole “wishy washy” approach (not over committing) is part of being a good GM and a smart person in general. If you think this team is middling now, just wait until you see what happens when we overpay to win every trade.

Once again, not saying he needs to win every single trade. Just saying he hasn't done anything for about 2 years now and it would be nice to see him actually do something instead of being close.

I would understand if he was doing that with a contending team. However, the Flames are far from that. Its a long off-season though, hopefully there are some changes and not a 3rd straight year with basically the same core group.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Haha I am not so sure about that. The GM makes his dumb decisions in Free Agency with buyouts happening almost every off-season. Let's not pretend Treliving is smarter than other GMs when evaluating talent.

Trades and free agency are different beasts. Just because someone is good at Scrabble, doesn't mean they will be good at Monopoly

Also suggesting a 1st + Mangiapane for Anderson is absolutely terrible, you really have no footing to criticize Treliving if you would be that kind of GM that would make trade that awful

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Haha I am not so sure about that. The GM makes his dumb decisions in Free Agency with buyouts happening almost every off-season. Let's not pretend Treliving is smarter than other GMs when evaluating talent.

I don't think he was suggesting he was.
The point was if BT is not completing deals because the value is poor, then that's smart.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Mangiapane and Domi cannot possibly have similar values across the league. Maybe to Flames fans but not elsewhere. Domi’s hit 72 points and has never been below .5 PPG. Plus he can play C.

Yeah it's entirely possible that the Flames simply didn't have a player that the Jackets coveted as much as Domi.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Mangiapane and Domi cannot possibly have similar values across the league. Maybe to Flames fans but not elsewhere. Domi’s hit 72 points and has never been below .5 PPG. Plus he can play C.

He has also been traded twice now in his career and has been somewhat of a whiner. I am sure not a lot of GMs are dying to acquire him.

He is definitely an offensively better player but I think moving forward, Mangiapane will become a more important player.

[Jiggy]

Just because BT is "in" on a lot of trades doesn't mean he loses out on them. It's the GM's job to know who's on the market and know what the price is. When Dougie Hamilton was traded some GM's didn't even know he was available. BT did cause he's working the phones all the time.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah it's entirely possible that the Flames simply didn't have a player that the Jackets coveted as much as Domi.

I’m confident they’d have taken Monahan.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by keenan87

He has also been traded twice now in his career and has been somewhat of a whiner. I am sure not a lot of GMs are dying to acquire him.

He is definitely an offensively better player but I think moving forward, Mangiapane will become a more important player.

Often players get traded because teams want them, using it as a negative makes little sense

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Here’s the issue with your assumption; Mangiapane is a winger, Domi is a Center. There’s a difference. If you look at CBJ’s depth chart, they were looking to fill their 2nd line C position. Can you elaborate on why Kekalainen should have taken Mangiapane instead of Domi? You’re making broad based assumptions that are completely unfounded.

Sure, then the question is why were the Flames circling around? There must have been something that the Jackets were interested in.

Like I said, its not easy being a GM but sometimes you need to commit imo. Or it would also be nice to stop mimicking the Oilers.. I liked it better when the Flames were moves were surprises.. I remember Flames fans constantly laughing at Oilers fans for being "close" on players.

Lately, it seems like the Flames are pretty loose lipped.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by keenan87

He has also been traded twice now in his career and has been somewhat of a whiner. I am sure not a lot of GMs are dying to acquire him.

He is definitely an offensively better player but I think moving forward, Mangiapane will become a more important player.

Ryan O'Reilly has been traded twice too.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m confident they’d have taken Monahan.

Monahan for Josh Anderson and a 3rd to make keenan87 happy we’re not a bridesmaid. Go back in time and get it done Brad.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Sure, then the question is why were the Flames circling around? There must have been something that the Jackets were interested in.

Like I said, its not easy being a GM but sometimes you need to commit imo. Or it would also be nice to stop mimicking the Oilers.. I liked it better when the Flames were moves were surprises.. I remember Flames fans constantly laughing at Oilers fans for being "close" on players.

Lately, it seems like the Flames are pretty loose lipped.

Are the Flames loose lipped or is the rest of the league? Because I can't recall local media being the leaders in Flames rumors in years.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Often players get traded because teams want them, using it as a negative makes little sense

That makes zero sense. Just because you get traded doesn't mean you have negative value. It may mean that you have lower value than before.

Yakupov got traded/signed a few times before being out of the NHL. Teams wanted him but his value dropped each time.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Monahan for Josh Anderson and a 3rd to make keenan87 happy we’re not a bridesmaid. Go back in time and get it done Brad.

Lol either you haven't read my posts or you should go back to sleep. Not a very smart post as I never once mentioned Monahan. Its okay though, you are trying your best and that's what matters

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Sure, then the question is why were the Flames circling around? There must have been something that the Jackets were interested in.

Like I said, its not easy being a GM but sometimes you need to commit imo. Or it would also be nice to stop mimicking the Oilers.. I liked it better when the Flames were moves were surprises.. I remember Flames fans constantly laughing at Oilers fans for being "close" on players.

Lately, it seems like the Flames are pretty loose lipped.

Meh - “swirling around” is even less than “in on” IMO. For all I know BT just called and said “what’s the price” and that was that. Columbus would have been smart to leak it though - drove the price up.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Sure, then the question is why were the Flames circling around? There must have been something that the Jackets were interested in.

Like I said, its not easy being a GM but sometimes you need to commit imo. Or it would also be nice to stop mimicking the Oilers.. I liked it better when the Flames were moves were surprises.. I remember Flames fans constantly laughing at Oilers fans for being "close" on players.

Lately, it seems like the Flames are pretty loose lipped.

Honestly are we really worried about what fans laugh about?
Who cares.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by keenan87

That makes zero sense. Just because you get traded doesn't mean you have negative value. It may mean that you have lower value than before.

Yakupov got traded/signed a few times before being out of the NHL. Teams wanted him but his value dropped each time.

It makes plenty of sense. Players are traded because another team wants them, not necessarily because they aren't good anymore and the trading team is offloading them.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by keenan87

That makes zero sense. Just because you get traded doesn't mean you have negative value. It may mean that you have lower value than before.

Yakupov got traded/signed a few times before being out of the NHL. Teams wanted him but his value dropped each time.

I never said anyone had negative value. I said often player are traded because teams want said player. Yes, sometimes it's a case like Yakupov, but more often teams call about players they want.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Honestly are we really worried about what fans laugh about?
Who cares.

That was not the point at all. As I said, I think the Flames should do a better job at keeping things behind closed doors. Not sure why so much Flames stuff gets leaked.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by keenan87

That was not the point at all. As I said, I think the Flames should do a better job at keeping things behind closed doors. Not sure why so much Flames stuff gets leaked.

Trade talks are 2-sided. How do you know it is the Flames leaking information? I'm sure if you followed most other teams you'd hear the same types of rumours.