[Rumour] McKenzie: dealbreaker for Flames is that Sens want Valimaki in Stone package

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by AC

Its widely reported we are only interested in Stone if we can sign him. It won't be a couple months, we'd be adding him to our long term core if the trade happens.

Yeah, but since the Sens haven't allowed contact, this is their ask for a rental.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I don't think we should move any of Valimaki, Andersson or Kylington.

Yeah, I really like them all, particularly Kylington

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The chances of that happening are zero.

There's what...at least 6 teams linked and probably 16 who have inquired?

They will just take the best offer they have as of 12:55 tomorrow afternoon before they lose him for nothing.

Guess what I'm saying in that each of their respective stances, the Flames have the opportunity to walk away vs pay the exorbitant price.

Sens simply must take best deal on the table, and it's awfully unlikely anyone will meet current asking price for rental.

It would be an unprecedented rental cost.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not interested in selling low on Oliver Kylington. Think with an expanded role he can really explode. We haven't even played the kid a minute on the power play this season, you think his value's at it's highest possible?

Potentially this isn't his highest possible value but it's hardly selling low.

As for this tread. The Sens can go pound sound. Circle back to Stone July 1st.

[CgyFlamesftw]

One of the three young Dman will have to be moved eventually. Expansion draft is coming, could potentially lose one of them for free.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Yeah, I really like them all, particularly Kylington

Me too, I think Kylington could have the most offensive potential.

We already moved Fox so I don't think trading another one is smart asset management.

(Worry about the expansion draft later)

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't even know how we fit Stone under the cap if he wants 8 or more million a year. We have Bennett, MT, Rittich as our major upcoming contracts.


If Bennett gets around 3, MT around 7 Rittich with what 2 and Stone with lets say 8, that's ading 20 million to our payroll, we have 13 to 15 million free for next year.


Getting Stone economically doesn't work for me.



If the Sens can't resign stone and he wants a high contract value, the Sens better be prepared to take back Neal and Frolik in any deal and reduce their ask.

With his name popping up in that NYR rumour, I think the plan would be to move Brodie in the off season. That'd make room

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by CgyFlamesftw

One of the three young Dman will have to be moved eventually. Expansion draft is coming, could potentially lose one of them for free.

In the shorter term, there is one extra body on the left side. Something has got to give Stone trade or not.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by FlamesNation23

Something to consider is also the expansion draft. We are probably going to lose one of kylington, andersson or vallimaki there so tre might be trying to get value now. I still think the price is too high though

The Stanley Cup will be awarded 3 more times before the expansion draft.

Even if you're worried about losing one of those three guys for nothing, there is still plenty of time to address that.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Bunk

In the shorter term, there is one extra body on the left side. Something has got to give Stone trade or not.

Valimaki doesn't need waivers and it's not like he's too good for the AHL

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Love

Kylington never gets the respect he deserves

I think the player getting overlooked in all of this is Hanifin when it comes to considering the depth of the team's defense, especially on that left side, going forward.



When you're trying to decide of whether to trade Valimaki or Kylington, you're effectively making the decision on who would be the team's third pairing d-man in five years, assuming Gio is done by then.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

People that suggest Frolik in any trade with Ottawa are not thinking straight. It is a very reasonable assumption that Ottawa is on his NTC list. Why would Frolik (or any player!) waive his NTC to be traded from a playoff contender to a current dump??? Frolik is not going anywhere this season.

you're right; i added him thinking we needed to shed salary to fit Stone in now, but i believe the salaries are prorated, so we would only be responsible for the salary remaining this year i think... which is ballpark 1/3 of his 7.350

Frolik does have an partial NTC, so he could very well reject moving to Ottawa...

so, admittedly, that proposal was skewed to the flames...maybe swap out frolik for a B prospect or mangi/czarnik...

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It is, when he is already outscoring the other two and is "behind them" only because the organization decides that to be so based pretty much entirely on size bias.

Dude, what? The way you draw conclusions is dumbfounding at times. I just can't follow.

Size bias? Kylington is hardly a small guy, Andersson has an inch on him maybe? Though more portly. Neither are big guys, neither are small guys. There is nothing to suggest the organization favours Rasmus because of some fabricated size bias on your part. Outscoring ? Sure but out pointing is Rasmus.

Andersson got a shot on the top unit with Giordano mostly of cause of right-lefty. He's a right handed shot, and has a bit of a cannon.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Not familiar with Jets prospects pool. Who can they offer that is not on their current roster?

I wonder what offers the other teams in the hunt for Stone could offer? Maybe CGY offer is the most enticing due to young defencemen.

I know that during the draft they have a system establishing value on players and picks ie top 3 pick is worth idk 1000 etc

There has to be something tangible to assess the value of players in trades as well.

[dre]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

News Update

Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
At last check #Flames still very interested in Mark Stone, but Ottawa’s price is “ridiculously high”.

Sense is Sens starting point is multiple 1sts + one of Valimaki, Andersson, Kylington + more. Calgary extremely happy with current group. Not willing to sell the farm.

That is quite a high anchor. The one thing on our side is the deadline, and no deal is better than a bad deal.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I wonder what offers the other teams in the hunt for Stone could offer? Maybe CGY offer is the most enticing due to young defencemen.



I know that during the draft they have a system establishing value on players and picks ie top 3 pick is worth idk 1000 etc



There has to be something tangible to assess the value of players in trades as well.

I have seen fans do this. Is there an established system that NHL teams use?


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[kukkudo]

Hard pass. Just roll with what we got, if NYR let Hayes go for cheap make that move.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Valimaki doesn't need waivers and it's not like he's too good for the AHL

I’m thinking shorter term than the expansion draft - not necessarily this year, but next. Are we thinking Valimaki is an AHLer next year? I think not.

[MolsonInBothHands]

This thread reminds me of how the Flames nearly lost Rico Fata in an expansion draft.

I would rather it be Brodie as the outgoing D man. Love all of the young guys right now, and salary has to go the other way.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I’m thinking shorter term than the expansion draft - not necessarily this year, but next. Are we thinking Valimaki is an AHLer next year? I think not.

Probably not, no. But the potential for Brodie to be moved is high and Michael Stone as well.