[PGT] Golden Knights 4 - Flames 2

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I think he’s just saying that usually they throw their game used stick into the crowd, so no player = no souvenir.

I’m sure the players are not happy with the Saddledome crowd either though. Our crowd is terrible.

crowd was getting pretty loud down the stretch, until the incident

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Sorry posted that before I saw it.

He’s the 4th most consistent LW even by your (somewhat questionable) link - so really you just proved me right.

Goodnight

I like how you compare Johnny's percentage to other LW's, but your stats you posted earlier was comparing him to all leading scorers.

Which is it?

If anything, you're losing ground here.

[zamler]

"Patty" Robert is ratings, I guess.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Just logged in to say it would be a mistake to wait until summer to fire Gulutzan and crew.

If you know he isn’t the guy, don’t delay. Start your interviews or search and then get a replacement in stat. This team is not having fun, and they are not going deep with this coaching staff.

It’s amazing how obvious this is. The coaching staff refuses to adapt quick enough.

Anyway I don’t understand the rationale to waste another few months of this clearly failed experiment and if Treliving thinks we have to wait he should also be in some serious heat.

Have to imagine Treliving goes hard after Quenneville along with half the teams that miss the playoffs if Chicago makes the mistake in firing him.

I don't want to replace Gulutzan with Cameron.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I think he’s just saying that usually they throw their game used stick into the crowd, so no player = no souvenir.

I’m sure the players are not happy with the Saddledome crowd either though. Our crowd is terrible.

I’m the opposite. I get angry when they do come out after a loss. I want them to be seething. Good on Bennett.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I like how you compare Johnny's percentage to other LW's, but your stats you posted earlier was comparing him to all leading scorers.

Which is it?

If anything, you're losing ground here.

still can't accept the defeat

JG is the most consistent scorer on the Flames...that's it

stop trolling

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by zamler

Getting off topic but I can't listen to The Fan anymore. Not only are there a boat load of commercial breaks, the show itself is riddled with commercial blurbs. Every few words, sponsored and brought to you buy oh sorry I mean by. It is so ####ing annoying I simply can't stand it anymore. I might put up with it if the content was at least decent, it's not.

/end rant

They had one show a little while ago with Rhett and Regehr, it was great.

Sometimes Pinder tries to talk hockey but usually gets railroaded by bs. Today they were talking about their next big drunk road trip and fun party times ahead that none of us will be a part of. Reminded me of Gerry Forbes going on about drinking everyday back in the CJAY 92 glory days.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Have to imagine Treliving goes hard after Quenneville along with half the teams that miss the playoffs if Chicago makes the mistake in firing him.

I don't want to replace Gulutzan with Cameron.

No way our ownership pays for Quenneville. The reason we have Gulutzan is they wouldn’t spend the money on a coach last time.

[Calgary4LIfe]

CORSI be damned... high danger chances be damned.. this team just doesn't generate enough honest to goodness chances, and the few times that they do, it is going wide or right into the goalie's crest. Not just this game, but something I notice happening all season.

I am not going to crap on Lazar. I think defensively he has been solid for the most part - I noticed him covering incredibly well and think the Flames should stick with him on the 4th line role and start getting him some real PK reps. Really love his speed and determination out there, even if he can't score worth squat at the moment (he should really pull a Bouma and get himself an off-season skills coach).

I don't know what stinks about this team other than the lack of offence. That 'killer instinct' is non-existent to me. Something is lacking. Flames had it for a season and a half with Hartley (systems aside, etc., etc,), and they had it under Darryl Sutter too. They have lacked it every other year outside those particular ones. That is what is missing on this team. Is it a coaching thing? Maybe, maybe not. It is 'something' that is just missing.

I thought that MOSTLY it was a good defensive effort tonight, but some big lapses that didn't cost them, and then some HUGE mental lapses that did cost them. This team just seems so rattled offensively. Everyone is squeezing their sticks too hard.

I think the coach just needs to make the game against Tampa a mentally easier challenge. If I was the coach (not that I am in any way qualified) would be to keep is simple - "I want you guys to finish your checks and skate hard. I want to see more shots to the net, especially low shots, I want to see people making life for the goalies difficult, and I want to see guys hacking and whacking in the goal crease until we manage to score a couple greasy goals".

Most of all, I want to see EFFORT. They play 3/4 a game with great effort, and somewhere along the line the last 1/4 (wherever it may fall during the game) they lose the game because of a lack of effort.

It is really funny - they gained points in 11 straight games, but the last 4 were disappointments. You would think that people would be happy with the points. Now look at the standings. Calgary is out of a playoff spot. 5th worst in the conference. Those should have been 'gimme' points against struggling teams, but it is Calgary that looked like they were struggling for those 4 straight. Things are way too tight to struggle against poor teams. This is too late in the season to 'figure it out' against these struggling teams. I wasn't happy with those performances.

Treliving can't be happy with where the Flames find themselves now in the standings after pushing some chips in. He can't be happy looking at the division and seeing Edmonton taking a huge step back and totally out of the picture, but we just give them free points every time instead of using them to move up. He can't be happy seeing the AHL Ducks ahead of the Flames right now with the massive amount of injuries that club has faced this season, and being the only team that could be considered 'elite' heading into the season. He can't be happy seeing SJ and LA ahead of the Flames. He can't be happy that VGK managed to hire a darn good coach who is squeezing enough blood out of that rock to fill the Glenmore reservoir. This division was wide-open this year. Instead of capitalizing on it, the Flames find themselves on the outside looking in, even though the Flames were one of the few teams in the division that improved and spent futures to do it.

I have to imagine that Gulutzan is hanging by a thread here. It is either him, or a major move that he has been keeping on the back-burner for now. The Flames just can't afford to miss this year given that the division is wide-open and the assets he spent.

Points in 11 straight games just kept this team afloat. Lose one out-right, and suddenly they are the 5th worst team in the conference. This team needs to score as well as play defence, and they need to add the wins in regulation as much as possible when facing divisional opponents, not worry about getting it to OT.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by dino7c

still can't accept the defeat

JG is the most consistent scorer on the Flames...that's it

stop trolling

Nice deflection. Tell me to look at SuperMatt's stats, which I do, and give you my own numbers, then call them wrong, dumb and everything in between.

So I guess I should only post numbers you guys like?

If you look at the all skater's percentages of consistency, Johnny isn't in the top 10. But I guess we're being selective now based on position. Changing the arguments, I see. Pot, meet kettle.

I'd love to go for a drink with you sometime. I find you interesting in a weird way. Hockey, politics, et al.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Have to imagine Treliving goes hard after Quenneville along with half the teams that miss the playoffs if Chicago makes the mistake in firing him.

I don't want to replace Gulutzan with Cameron.

OMG, please noooo....I'm going to have nightmare about this now. Is Treliving that dumb?

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

No way our ownership pays for Quenneville. The reason we have Gulutzan is they wouldn’t spend the money on a coach last time.

Yup, it will be Tippett.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

OMG, please noooo....I'm going to have nightmare about this now. Is Treliving that dumb?

His hiring of Cameron to coach the PP may not prove he’s dumb but shows he’s capable of making dumb decisions, which he is unable or unwilling to fix.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Nice deflection. Tell me to look at SuperMatt's stats, which I do, and give you my own numbers, then call them wrong, dumb and everything in between.

So I guess I should only post numbers you guys like?

If you look at the all skater's percentages of consistency, Johnny isn't in the top 10. But I guess we're being selective now based on position.

I'd love to go for a drink with you sometime. I find you interesting in a weird way. Hockey, politics, et al.

So not being in the top 10 (by random sites stats) means he isn't consistent enough?

Even your ridiculous stats have him as the most consistent point producer on the team. So your original complaint is "the most consistent scorer on the team isn't consistent enough"

Like EVERYBODY has said he is the least of our worries. If you don't think that the guy in on 50% of the teams goals is a major reason the Flames are still in the race there is no convincing you.

Not sure I can drink with you...sounds like I might die of alcohol poising the way you must throw em' back

[Mr.Coffee]

Wouldn’t it have been Gulutzan requesting Cameron though? I think typically GM’s let the Head Coach select their staff ?

[TheAlpineOracle]

Cameron was a guy that pushed for Lazar and vouched for him. This guy is all around awesome. This gets swept under the rug too often.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by dino7c

So not being in the top 10 (by random sites stats) means he isn't consistent enough?

Even your ridiculous stats have him as the most consistent point producer on the team. So your original complaint is "the most consistent scorer on the team isn't consistent enough"

Like EVERYBODY has said he is the least of our worries. If you don't thing that the guy in on 50% of the teams goals is a major reason the Flames are still in the race there is no convincing you.

Not sure I can drink with you...sounds like I might die of alcohol poising the way you must throw em' back

We're kind of going in circles here, so here's my point reiterated one more time. Despite Johnny being a high point producers, he does it in bunches and it's not helping this team win game when they need to win them. He's streaky, and inconsistent this season - and the last sixty days prove that, despite his individual point totals (which don't tell the whole picture).

You seem to want to say that Johnny isn't streaky when compared to other players, yet I provided the closest available stat we have to measure consistency and you just don't like what you see.

I understand your frustration after this Flames loss tonight, so I am sorry you feel the way. I am frustrated with the loss too.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Blaming Smith is foolish. He just rants for ten minutes. I even agree with him sometimes, but man get a fresh take sometime. This guy is all over the map.

I agree, appreciate the passion but some of the takes are so far from reality

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Wouldn’t it have been Gulutzan requesting Cameron though? I think typically GM’s let the Head Coach select their staff ?

Could’ve been, either way just awful hires. Treliving wanted to take a gamble on a young coach with little experience and hoped he would blossom into a great coach. Unfourtunatley in the NHL hockey teams don’t have time to wait for their coach to become good, this team needed and still needs a coach who knows how to win when it matters and knows how to create a winning mentality throughout the team. GG has created a loser mentality which encourages sitting on leads or limping into overtime, hense why this team has become choke artists. This style of play may work during the regular season but it will never work come playoffs. I don’t know what Treliving is seeing but I hope he is ####ing fuming

Can’t believe we have a coach who is 0-7 vs the Oilers and still has a job.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

We're kind of going in circles here, so here's my point reiterated one more time. Despite Johnny being a high point producers, he does it in bunches and it's not helping this team win games when they need to win them. He's streaky, and inconsistent - and the last sixty days prove that.

You seem to want to say that Johnny isn't streaky when compared to other players, yet I provided the closest available stat we have to measure consistency and you just don't like what you see.

I understand your frustration after this Flames loss tonight, so I am sorry you feel the way. I am frustrated with the loss too.

Your ####ing stats say he is the most consistent player on the team and one of the most consistent in the league.(who said top 10 was the cutoff) And you must admit those stats are pretty random...someone posted actual NHL scoring stats and you obviously didn't like them.

Anyway...you are alone on this one, enjoy the island