Central Division Final - Stars vs Blues (Series tied 3-3)

[Enoch Root]

And around it goes again.

How anyone can look at those stats and see that the Flames are 10 lbs per person smaller than every other team, and not see that there is a problem there, in a game that is quite physical in nature, is absolutely beyond me.

The only way to come to that conclusion (that it isn't an issue), is to have a prejudice against size (the silly notion that bigger means less skilled). And it is clear that some of you are quite guilty of that notion.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by heep223

Who the hell isn't trying to get big, skilled, physical, fast players? Saying the Flames need to get bigger without sacrificing skill is like saying that the team needs to get better to win the Stanley cup. It's not easy to do. Usually size sacrifices skill and speed. Which is why some posters worry about that strategy as opposed to BPA.

The Flames want to get bigger. In most cases, that means they will be slower and/or less skilled.

There's your problem right there. Absolutely silly notion.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

the Flames are 10 lbs per person smaller than every other team

*were. When we had lame ducks like Hudler, Raymond, and Russell on roster.

And also those stats are dubious as it is due to the youth of our team, because Monahan is listed at 195lbs, Bennett at 186, Kulak at 187 etc. None of these represent "prime playing weights". Even Gaudreau, listed at 157, might be 10+lbs heavier at this stage.

We also added Jokipakka and Nakladal by the end of the year.

And they ignore that our prospect base is decent-sized, Jankowski, Poirier, Wotherspoon, Hathaway, Grant, Hamilton, etc.

Our lack of skill compared to teams like San Jose is more blatantly obvious than our lack of size - at this point. Would we love to add Joe Thornton, absolutely. But that doesn't mean you should turn down Joe Pavelski.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

*were. When we had lame ducks like Hudler, Raymond, and Russell on roster.

And also those stats are dubious as it is due to the youth of our team, because Monahan is listed at 195lbs, Bennett at 186, Kulak at 187 etc. None of these represent "prime playing weights". Even Gaudreau, listed at 157, might be 10+lbs heavier at this stage.

We also added Jokipakka and Nakladal by the end of the year.

And they ignore that our prospect base is decent-sized, Jankowski, Poirier, Wotherspoon, Hathaway, Grant, Hamilton, etc.

Our lack of skill compared to teams like San Jose is more blatantly obvious than our lack of size - at this point. Would we love to add Joe Thornton, absolutely. But that doesn't mean you should turn down Joe Pavelski.

And for the 100th time, absolutely no one is suggesting that we should.

Who are the softest teams in the west?

Edmonton
Calgary
Vancouver
Colorado

Enough said.

The final 4 teams in the west are all big AND skilled. So the notion that you can't be both is ludicrous.

Size is a secondary issue, behind skill. No question.

But for the Flames, size IS an issue. The best teams are bigger than the Flames. They are also (arguably) more skilled. But the size gap is larger than the skill gap.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And for the 100th time, absolutely no one is suggesting that we should.

Who are the softest teams in the west?

Edmonton
Calgary
Vancouver
Colorado

Enough said.

The final 4 teams in the west are all big AND skilled. So the notion that you can't be both is ludicrous.

Size is a secondary issue, behind skill. No question.

But for the Flames, size IS an issue. The best teams are bigger than the Flames. They are also (arguably) more skilled. But the size gap is larger than the skill gap.

I'm confident you would have had San Jose in your list last year.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And for the 100th time, absolutely no one is suggesting that we should.

Who are the softest teams in the west?

Edmonton
Calgary
Vancouver
Colorado

Enough said.

You forgot Chicago. Because they are immune to the narrative because they win.

And what makes the Avs soft? Iginla, Holden, Landeskog. They're not even small, Soderberg, Bigras, Erik Johnson, MacKinnon. They just fit your narrative because they're a bad team that plays a run n gun style. They are not a softer team than the Blackhawks.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And for the 100th time, absolutely no one is suggesting that we should.

Who are the softest teams in the west?

Edmonton
Calgary
Vancouver
Colorado

Enough said.

The final 4 teams in the west are all big AND skilled. So the notion that you can't be both is ludicrous.

Size is a secondary issue, behind skill. No question.

But for the Flames, size IS an issue. The best teams are bigger than the Flames. They are also (arguably) more skilled. But the size gap is larger than the skill gap.

The Flames were soft by design of the coach as there's plenty of large bodies on the team. They were purposely amongst the bottom of the league when it came to taking penalties and played a strategy based on quick transition over grinding things out ion the boards. This wasn't Darryl Sutter's Flames that were relentless in their puck pursuit and really that type of play simply isn't going to suit guys like Gadreau, Monahan, or Brodie. There's nothing wrong with the makeup of the roster outside of a lack of skilled wingers and a shutdown defenseman and the reason they are where they are today is because they are still a rebuilding team so comparing them against fully cooked teams like Chicago, St. Louis, LA, etc is apples to oranges. This notion that they need to start adding these hulking bodies is ludicrous. I'm not saying that big players can't be skilled but unfortunately those players typically get picked before the Flames get to use their first pick unless they want to reach for more Hunter Smith's.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You forgot Chicago. Because they are immune to the narrative because they win.

And what makes the Avs soft? Iginla, Holden, Landeskog. They're not even small, Soderberg, Bigras, Erik Johnson, MacKinnon. They just fit your narrative because they're a bad team that plays a run n gun style. They are not a softer team than the Blackhawks.

They win because their skill gap vastly outweigh the size gap

[Drak]

Unfortunately, I think the Blues will win tonight.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

*were. When we had lame ducks like Hudler, Raymond, and Russell on roster.

And also those stats are dubious as it is due to the youth of our team, because Monahan is listed at 195lbs, Bennett at 186, Kulak at 187 etc. None of these represent "prime playing weights". Even Gaudreau, listed at 157, might be 10+lbs heavier at this stage.

We also added Jokipakka and Nakladal by the end of the year.

And they ignore that our prospect base is decent-sized, Jankowski, Poirier, Wotherspoon, Hathaway, Grant, Hamilton, etc.

Our lack of skill compared to teams like San Jose is more blatantly obvious than our lack of size - at this point. Would we love to add Joe Thornton, absolutely. But that doesn't mean you should turn down Joe Pavelski.

Absolutely true that the young Flames are bigger than listed. Monahan may never have played a NHL game at 195.

BUT why would that not be the same for other teams rosters.... Jamie Benn is only 210? He was listed as 6-2 203 in 2008 as an 18 year old on the Kelowna rockets roster Backlund was listed as 6-1 194 on the rockets 2009 playoff roster. According to NHL.com he has put on 5 lbs since he was 19. He appears to 2-3 times as strong as he was when he broke in with the Flames.

[Toonage]

All the pressure on St. Louis tonight. Thinking the Stars come up big and win one for the Flames.

[indes]

The notion that getting hit by someone 6'1" 210 is dramatically different than getting hit by someone 5'11" 195 is ridiculous. Soft is more style than size.

[Locke]

So...if the Stars win this game the conditions are met and the Flames get their 1st?

[calgarywinning]

This is the post-game game of the season for Flames fans because we need Dallas to win!

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Locke

So...if the Stars win this game the conditions are met and the Flames get their 1st?

That is correct

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Robbob

That is correct

Go Dallas GO!

Get a hat-trick Kris!

[Canada 02]

Bouwmeester vs Russell; no matter the outcome, someone is getting a beating on CP

[Robbob]

OT winner by Russell would be pretty epic for both the Dallas and Flames fanbases

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by Locke

So...if the Stars win this game the conditions are met and the Flames get their 1st?

And Calgary hires Hitchcock after he gets fired by St. Louis.

[troutman]

Never been so interested in a Dallas game before.