Explosion near Stadium in Paris, multiple shootings and hostage taking...

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by JetsFlamesFan

Gatwick just started trending on Twitter. Apparently some or all of Gatwick airport has been evacuated. Someone found with a grenade in their backpack.

IDS/ISIL shorly after claiming to the attacks admist the Gatwick evacuation. Gatwick has also spotted a gernade in 2003 on one of the passengers.

It is interesting to me they use the term Crusaders insteadd of enemies or non believers( or any incarnation refering to such) .Is all this violence on both sides still a continuation of a so called "holy war" that began more than half a millennium ago? Unfortunately, the facts show that it is and unfortunately the end is no where in site.

This is a tragic event that is way to common no matter what century or decade it is or country it is in.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...test-news.html

[Byrns]

Originally Posted by T@T

Doing some searching:

USA
Canada
Russia
Germany
Japan
Great Britain
Brazil
Sweden
Finland
Australia
India
Malaysia
Mexico
Turkey
Argentina
Italy
Poland

Countries whose leaders have posted condolences to France on the tragic events.

Two Muslim countries and only one anywhere near the middle east...sad.

They have.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...n-values-.html

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Byrns

They have.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...n-values-.html

Ya that what he was saying . He posted that those muslim states have already done so. Well , Turkey is not offically a Muslim country since the Caliphate dissolved in 1924 . The are officially a secular but most of the government officaials hold a Muslim religious view once again which has been challenging the secular system turkey has had since the early 30's .There has been a rise in Islams influence within turkish politics in the last few years.
Mayliasya is is not a Islam state nor are they secular they just recognize Islam as there majority held religion.

[sharkov]

Originally Posted by T@T

Doing some searching:

USA
Canada
Russia
Germany
Japan
Great Britain
Brazil
Sweden
Finland
Australia
India
Malaysia
Mexico
Turkey
Argentina
Italy
Poland

Countries whose leaders have posted condolences to France on the tragic events.

Two Muslim countries and only one anywhere near the middle east...sad.

It does not really matter if they condemn the murder of 150 innocent people or not as they will do nothing to stop it or contain. However, if someone drew a cartoon of their prophet, then they will do more than just condemn it

[Byrns]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Ya that what he was saying . He posted that those two muslim states have already done so.

You either misread or saw outrage where there was non. Im going with the former over the latter to give you the benefit of the doubt.

My link has many Arab states posting support including Saudi Arabia. The outrage posted was that only those two previously listed have condemned the attacks which isn't true.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Well, that or the more practical solution - you keep the Saddams, Assads and El-Sisis in power because that's turned out to have been the least bad option... Not saying it's morally right, but in the world of power politics...

This. Russia has subdued Chechen terrorist movement by giving the power to Kadyrov, a man with questionable morals and intellegence. He's as far from a saint, as you get, but he's doing an awesome job of keeping Chechnya in check. In Dagestan, though, Putin couldn't find similiar ruler, so there are still terrorists in Dagestan and we still have to fight them.

Same with middle east and other lands. Those barbarian nomadic people need a hardline tough dictator, tyrano, to keep them in check. Like Saddam or Gaddafi. If you take them out, those nations will begin to produce terrorists. You can not build a democracy there or educate them or whatever. They only respect a strong tough local leader.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Dion

I disagree. History has shown us that educated people such as those in power can and do commit acts of violence.

You do realize that pointing to singular examples of evil people being educated (and yes, there are many) does not invalidate Harry Lime's point that an educated populace is far less likely to commit to the level of fanaticism required to want to blow yourself up to go meet some fantastical god, right?

The world, much as people usually fail to realize it, is an increasingly safe place to live, and much of that stems from our being an increasingly educated populace.

[blueski]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The world, much as people usually fail to realize it, is an increasingly safe place to live, and much of that stems from our being an increasingly educated populace.

Or taking the lead out of gasoline:

[ranchlandsselling]

Originally Posted by JohnnyNipshank

Found a link on bbc of video from outside the club just horrifying to see the chaos. the audio alone probably won't let me sleep tonight




NSFW GRAPHIC

http://mobile.lemonde.fr/attaques-a-...urope-34815972

Holy $%#$.
People hanging from windows. That one guy/girl who appeared dead on the ground for the first few minutes as people run around them then starts to stir, looks around, you can see their cell phone turn on. I hope they survived

[devo22]

from Charlie Hebdo comic artist Joann Sfar:

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by devo22

from Charlie Hebdo comic artist Joann Sfar:

Prayers rejected!

odd

[transplant99]

ISIS has indeed claimed responsibility.


One report has two passports found near 2 of the attackers were one each from Syria and Egypt. Weird though as why would one take a passport to such an event....every one of them knew they were going to die when they launched this cowardly attack.


Also read that two of the eyewitnesses suggested that the shooters were speaking fluent French without a hint of an accent which would then indicate French nationals as a big part of this.


Also the deputy mayor is telling citizens to "expect more attacks' today. Really disturbing.

[Regulator75]

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

Prayers rejected!

odd

don't think it's odd at all. To me, "celebrate life" certainly seems like a better response to such heinous attacks than even more religion.

[CliffFletcher]

It's not just about Islam, though that's part of it. It's not just about anti-Western politics, though that's part of it. It's not even just about Islam and colonialism - if it were, why doesn't Indonesia foster violent radicalism? The third element is the honour-bound warrior culture of the conservative Middle East.

So think of it as a venn diagram. One circle is Islam. One circle is failed post-colonial states that lack civil institutions. The third is fiercely anti-modern honour culture. Where those circles overlap you have rich soil for jihadists.

At its heart, this is a furious reaction against modernity. Against liberal notions of rationalism, individual freedom, and the rights of women. Given how many young men in the Middle East are far more conservative than the most dyed-in-the-wool 70-year-old racist in the American South, and how dire the economic prospects are for parts of the world where women essentially are shut out of public life and where innovation and entrepreneurship are negligible, this isn't going to go away any time soon.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by T@T

Nato, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, and every other country on the planet should supply troops and systematically kill these #######s by going town to town until they are reduced to a bad memory. There will be collateral deaths of the innocent but not nearly as much if nothing is done.

It has to stop and it needs to stop now.

LOL. Haven't you been able to see fighting fire with gasoline doesn't work? Ignorant comment.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

I'm just gonna put it out there that until the families and the friends start to kill these people (their sons, daughters) that perpetrate these cowardly crimes against innocent humans in the name of islam, ISIS, they will have to be in the line of fire. All wars are won when the civilians rise and say no more. In the case of these extremes I hold more than their individual accountable because of the level of pure cowardice.

I find dropping bombs on innocent people far more cowardice. That happens a hell of a lot more than these "terrorist" attacks.

[MillerTime GFG]

Just heard that there has been a trail derailment in France. At least 5 dead thus far. No idea if it's related or not just yet.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I know with emotions high right now this won't be a popular opinion but I still fully support Canada withdrawing from a fighting postion into a humanitarian postion instead. I believe we need to show the local populous we are not the enemy. We are there to help those in need from the terrors. Like the old saying goes a good offense is a great defence.


When I say humanitarian missions I mean provide aid to the locals with out INSTIGATING the fights. If Canadian forces are there providing aid and come under fire then light there asses up with all the fiery fury Haydes can provide and show the people in the middle eastern ares that Canada is a loving accepting country there to protect the people but will provide resouces to a better life first and foremost . I don't beleive we need to be involved with offensive bombings and attacks.


Showing countries effected by cruel insurgents that Canada will provide care first but will DEFEND them when they fall under attack is a powerful tool to help curb radicalization.

Edit: If we have learned anything about the U.S.A led war on terrisiom is being consistently on the offensive leads to more civilian casualties then it soes to terrorist deaths. That in turn inspires more radicalization against weastern countries then just a mere words alone do. It figuratively gives those words a face to go with the name.

We are their enemy not because of what we do, but because of who we are, and because of the ideals and values we hold. Playing the humanitarian role will make us no less a target.

[SportsJunky]

Not because of what we do? We created many of these lunatics. We killed their leaders and they put in crazier #######s than they previously had. We blew up their loved ones and they swore vengeance. They murder our loved ones and we declare war. It is a vicious cycle that we are in and we should be trying to stop the cycle not kill more of "them" so that we create whole new generations of madmen.

I'd like the killing to stop now please.