View Poll Results: How do you feel about the Baertschi trade
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Flames did very well.
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Flames did okay considering the circumstances
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Neutral. Don't really care.
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Vancouver did okay.
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Vancouver fleeced he Flames.
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03-02-2015, 03:29 PM
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#501
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#1 Goaltender
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I've thought for a while now that Baertschi could be a Colborne/Russell type pick up for another team eventually, up against waiver eligibility has quite forces his way onto the roster, but still to highly rated to be waived. Hopefully he has a bad camp gets claimed off waivers and explodes with a team other than Vancouver.
As for the return I thought it was OK, I would have be disappointed if it was a 2017 pick. I would have been vary happy if it was the 2nd this year + the 3rd in 2017 that seemed to be briefly rumored. I guess we landed somewhere in the middle, so just OK.
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03-02-2015, 03:29 PM
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#502
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Treliving says the 2nd round pick was the best offer by FAR for Baertschi. Nothing else was close.
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03-02-2015, 03:29 PM
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#503
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Calgary
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GM says the 2nd rounder was the best offer "by a longshot". Flames fans seriously overvalued Sven...
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03-02-2015, 03:30 PM
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#504
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Lifetime Suspension
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I always thought going to the media is a last resort. Sure Burke has an itchy trigger finger with going public on a player he's found foul with but to think that what Burke said was the first time Sven heard it is delusional. Burke and management would have delivered that message to Sven multiple, multiple times before they ripped him publicly. That was clearly a last straw.
Which means that it's on Sven.
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03-02-2015, 03:30 PM
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#505
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: H E double hockey sticks
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I love Sven.. but he wanted to move and that is fine. BT picked up a second which is about what his value is. It is what it is.
I am really sorry to see him go to the Canucks and I still believe he will be a solid second line player.
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03-02-2015, 03:31 PM
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#506
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Treliving says the 2nd round pick was the best offer by FAR for Baertschi. Nothing else was close.
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Really hammered down the idea that it was the best offer by a mile.
Says a lot about what the league thought of Sven at this point. Which is what we heard earlier this year.
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03-02-2015, 03:31 PM
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#507
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
He should have never made the team coming out of the 2013 training camp.
Had a terrible development camp, terrible training camp, and was not good over the first 25 games that year.
Feaster kept him up as "his guy" and then Burke had to send him down after firing Feaster, driving the wedge between Burke and Sven even deeper.
I think it would have been completely different if Sven had been sent down right away that year and had been sent a message right away that he needed to be better and wasn't going to be handed a spot.
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Yeah actually now you bring that up you kind of have to wonder if the handling of Sven was the last straw that caused Burke to fire Feaster and take over as it seemed like Hartley and Feaster weren't on the same page in regards to Sven and that Hartley didn't want him on the team seeing the moment Feaster is fired Sven gets sent down.
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03-02-2015, 03:32 PM
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#508
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
...You really don't need to be a dick all the time you know.
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No. Not all the time. But sometimes I am just so goddamned irritable.
Anyhow... I have always been a big fan of Baertschi's, and while my enthusiasm has certainly been tempered in recent months, I had still hoped this year that he could crack the lineup, and secure a spot in the top nine.
How will the change of scenery affect him? I think he immediately benefits for moving to an organisation where he is not buried so deep behind Vancouver's collection of prospects. He will probably be given every opportunity to grab a permanent spot on the NHL roster next year. But I am more inclined to think that the long-term potential he once had is more and more likely a faint hope.
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03-02-2015, 03:32 PM
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#509
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tinordi
He's good or decent at those things but if he can't even hack it as an offensive threat in the AHL what are his chances of being an NHL player? Very small. A 2nd rounder is great value.
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I think this stems from a misunderstanding of the AHL. The AHL isn't a high-scoring league. If you put legitimate NHLers in the AHL, they don't necessarily blow the doors off the place.
Baertschi has .69 points per game at the AHL level this year. Last year, .71. Adirondack's leading scorer (Shore) has .78 ppg and most of those were scored for another team. Sven's are pretty decent numbers for a 21/22 year old, and about the same as Poirier who everyone is hyped about.
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03-02-2015, 03:33 PM
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#510
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#1 Goaltender
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Canucks fans will rate him as a former 13th pick, who has top 6 potential, and several Flames fan still view him as the guy who took the NHL by storm for a few games as an emerency junior call up. The former golden boy and top prospect has been traded away, and for sure the boards would react.
Take away the first round coloured glasses. In reality he is basically a lesser skilled version of Hodgson, along with the same sour attitude about paying time, has an father who meddles too much into his sons affairs, asked for a trade rather than work his way into the lineup, and could not crack the lineup of a rebuilding team, and is waiver eligible next year. He has also played 66 games in the NHL, yet is in the AHL and was 3-4 players down the callup chart.
2nd round pick for someone who could hit waivers next year is a bargain.
Will this trade potentially bite the Flames in the butt? It is always possible. Still does not matter too much for the Flames as he would have hit waivers next year. It is also likely Canucks fans sour up on him once he has been on the team a year or two. They have already soured up on Vey. It will remind them of Hodgson in a bad way, without the glitter that comes with a team first round pick draft prospect
Last edited by Firebot; 03-02-2015 at 03:38 PM.
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03-02-2015, 03:33 PM
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#511
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by kn
GM says the 2nd rounder was the best offer "by a longshot". Flames fans seriously overvalued Sven...
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No kidding, any GM could have just looked up his AHL stats on hockeydb.com and saw a guy who was no different than at least 5 of their own prospects. Nothing on his resume past junior shows anything worth giving up a serious asset for.
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03-02-2015, 03:35 PM
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#512
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
This year's Reto Berra.
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Ouch. For all the "GTFO" talk, this post might hit the hardest.
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03-02-2015, 03:36 PM
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#513
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Even when Sven got recalled earlier this year:
Drury18, our resident Adirondack expert did not like that he got recalled.
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Originally Posted by Drury18
Well, disagree with Sven getting the call. This wasn't earned. Maybe he had a good game last night, but he wasn't the most deserving of a call up.
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Long explanation: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...7&postcount=64
And Friedman had an article about how the rest of the league has soured on Sven.
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=154
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"I happened to speak to three teams that had seen him play in Adirondack. And the review on him was universally negative. They were like, ‘He’s not really competing hard, he’s not really playing that well.’ There were beginning to wonder what the future would be and as a couple of guys said to me there’s no way Calgary can be happy with this.
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03-02-2015, 03:36 PM
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#514
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Yeah actually now you bring that up you kind of have to wonder if the handling of Sven was the last straw that caused Burke to fire Feaster and take over as it seemed like Hartley and Feaster weren't on the same page in regards to Sven and that Hartley didn't want him on the team seeing the moment Feaster is fired Sven gets sent down.
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In retrospect it does appear to be at least part of the issue.
Probably a little more then that, but not having a coach and GM on the same page was likely part of it.
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03-02-2015, 03:37 PM
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#515
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Treliving says the 2nd round pick was the best offer by FAR for Baertschi. Nothing else was close.
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Then maybe it was best for us to trade him to Vancouver then. His stock fell in 13/14, and maybe it just stayed the same value in 14/15 (don't think he regressed or improved). Considering he wasn't going to resign with us in the offseason, grabbing a 2nd rounder is a great move.
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03-02-2015, 03:38 PM
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#516
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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after listening to Treliving on 960 and hearing that
- Svens camp asked for a trade for quite a long time
- Svens camp made it clear that he wouldn't re-sign
- the 2nd rounder was by far the best offer (Treliving really stressed that point a few times)
I'd like to change my vote from "okay considering the circumstances" to "very well".
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03-02-2015, 03:38 PM
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#517
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
No. Not all the time. But sometimes I am just so goddamned irritable.
Anyhow... I have always been a big fan of Baertschi's, and while my enthusiasm has certainly been tempered in recent months, I had still hoped this year that he could crack the lineup, and secure a spot in the top nine.
How will the change of scenery affect him? I think he immediately benefits for moving to an organisation where he is not buried so deep behind Vancouver's collection of prospects. He will probably be given every opportunity to grab a permanent spot on the NHL roster next year. But I am more inclined to think that the long-term potential he once had is more and more likely a faint hope.
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Johnny this season started out a lot like Sven had been playing for the Flames the season before and when he got benched. He looked out of place, not very good, and it appeared maybe he wasn't ready but after that benching he came back played great and forced management's hand to keep him full time in the lineup. Sven never did that. When he got benched he kind of pouted and when he got back into the lineup he made it easy for Hartley to bench him again. You could just see that this wasn't a marriage that was going to end happily ever after as long as Hartley is the head coach and if the choice is Baertschi or Hartley I'm going with the coach. I wish things could have worked out better but it didn't and the bright side is that he's going to get another opportunity.
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03-02-2015, 03:38 PM
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#518
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
after listening to Treliving on 960 and hearing that
- Svens camp asked for a trade for quite a long time
- Svens camp made it clear that he wouldn't re-sign
- the 2nd rounder was by far the best offer (Treliving really stressed that point a few times)
I'd like to change my vote from "okay considering the circumstances" to "very well".
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Treliving did what was best for the Flames. I'd change my vote as well.
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03-02-2015, 03:40 PM
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#519
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Too bad it didn't work out, such promise coming out of junior. But his play the last couple of seasons was underwhelming to say the least. So you have a prospect that hasn't progressed well at all, asked for a trade, wouldn't sign with the team and had to pass through waivers next year?
See ya. Hope the pick turns into something much better.
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03-02-2015, 03:40 PM
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#520
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I think this stems from a misunderstanding of the AHL. The AHL isn't a high-scoring league. If you put legitimate NHLers in the AHL, they don't necessarily blow the doors off the place.
Baertschi has .69 points per game at the AHL level this year. Last year, .71. Adirondack's leading scorer (Shore) has .78 ppg and most of those were scored for another team. Sven's are pretty decent numbers for a 21/22 year old, and about the same as Poirier who everyone is hyped about.
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To give another example, during the lockout season, Brendan Gallagher was apparently quite disappointing for many Canadiens fans.
He then played almost the entire shortened NHL season, and scored at a higher pace with Montreal than he did in Hamilton.
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