2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Geeoff]

Monahan isn't a physical player in the regular season, so I don't know why people would expect him to be one in the playoffs. He shows up in the Lady Byng voting every year.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

He’s actually been brutal in the playoffs. Ridiculous unwillingness to play with grit or elevate/ hit / block shots / stand up for teammates / play with passion...

Defending playoff Monahan is a really odd take / hill to die on because of how obviously bad he’s been for the most part.

He was absolutely brutal in 2019. He was good against Winnipeg but not against Dallas last year. He was fine his first 2 playoff appearances though. He was our best skater against the Ducks in 2017 and was up and down in 2015 but still had a massive game when the opportunity to eliminate the Canucks on home ice presented itself.

The hate Monahan gets from some fans is over the top ridiculous. When they get going on him being brutal and terrible sometimes they need to be reminded that it hasn’t been all bad.

It is frustrating he hasn’t been able to elevate his game come playoff time but it is not like he completely disappears entirely. His career scoring average is 0.76 and in the playoff it is 0.7 so just a slight drop off in actual points scored.

[sureLoss]

Tortorella confirmed Dubois trade request to media.

Aaron Portzline
@Aportzline
#CBJ coach John Tortorella says Pierre-Luc Dubois’ desire for a trade will be handled similarly, in one respect, to how Bobrovsky / Panarin played out two seasons ago. They’ll confront it as a group and deal with it out in the open, he said.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Tortorella confirmed Dubois trade request to media.

Aaron Portzline
@Aportzline
#CBJ coach John Tortorella says Pierre-Luc Dubois’ desire for a trade will be handled similarly, in one respect, to how Bobrovsky / Panarin played out two seasons ago. They’ll confront it as a group and deal with it out in the open, he said.

Go get him Tre!!

[Mattman]

So you're telling me there's a chance?

[Burning Beard]

Inject PLD right into our veins.

[savardandjokinen]

I’d do Monahan + Pelletier/Zary + 2nd or something like that for Dubois, looks like a lot but a young elite center isn’t available like that too often

[dammage79]

Keep monny, work another angle. Have a Monny, PLD one two punch down the middle. We have the wingers, and we have a Backlund to fall back on. And, PLDs contract is a perfect fit.for the Flames today and next year. Id move 1st round picks for him plus more.

PLD or Barzal would be players I'd add Bennett into a package for. Edit: let's be clear here before yall get too jumpy. Bennett doesn't have a ton of value, but if we are moving on one of those guys it makes him easier to let go if it helps grease the wheels of a deal.

Still believe PLD goes to the Isles for Barzal though. Just makes sense.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Keep monny, work another angle. Have a Monny, PLD one two punch down the middle. We have the wingers, and we have a Backlund to fall back on. And, PLDs contract is a perfect fit.for the Flames today and next year. Id move 1st round picks for him plus more.

PLD or Barzal would be players I'd add Bennett into a package for. Edit: let's be clear here before yall get too jumpy. Bennett doesn't have a ton of value, but if we are moving on one of those guys it makes him easier to let go if it helps grease the wheels of a deal.

Still believe PLD goes to the Isles for Barzal though. Just makes sense.

So if not Monahan, what would you add to the 1st(s) to get Dubois?

I think Columbus would love Barzal. He's what their franchises has always wanted and needed.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Keep monny, work another angle. Have a Monny, PLD one two punch down the middle. We have the wingers, and we have a Backlund to fall back on. And, PLDs contract is a perfect fit.for the Flames today and next year. Id move 1st round picks for him plus more.

PLD or Barzal would be players I'd add Bennett into a package for. Edit: let's be clear here before yall get too jumpy. Bennett doesn't have a ton of value, but if we are moving on one of those guys it makes him easier to let go if it helps grease the wheels of a deal.

Still believe PLD goes to the Isles for Barzal though. Just makes sense.

If you are not leading a package for Dubois without one of Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk or Lindholm then I don’t think the flames have a shot at getting him. Columbus is not going to be looking for a rebuilding/pick based package (not to mention the Flames have no cap space and need to clear at least $5M to bring in Dubois.

Barzal would be in interesting swap and would keep Jarmo’s blockbuster trade winner rep in place. Panarin > Saad, Jones > Johansen, Domi > Andersen. As much as I would love to get PLD I would vastly prefer Barzal who has put up elite offensive numbers playing in a heavy defense first system.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

So if not Monahan, what would you add to the 1st(s) to get Dubois?

I think Columbus would love Barzal. He's what their franchises has always wanted and needed.

I think they would too, but I don't imagine that NYI will be in a hurry to move him.

[Vinny01]

I could be way off but here is how I value it.

For PLD I would trade either one of Monahan+ or Gaudreau+ in order to land him (with the + being significant)

For Barzal I would be willing to send a package of Monahan AND Gaudreau with the Flames taking back additional salary

I view PLD as a future potential number 1 center and Barzal as a potential Franchise center.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I could be way off but here is how I value it.

For PLD I would trade either one of Monahan+ or Gaudreau+ in order to land him (with the + being significant)

For Barzal I would be willing to send a package of Monahan AND Gaudreau with the Flames taking back additional salary

I view PLD as a future potential number 1 center and Barzal as a potential Franchise center.

That’s how I view it too.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It is frustrating he hasn’t been able to elevate his game come playoff time but it is not like he completely disappears entirely. His career scoring average is 0.76 and in the playoff it is 0.7 so just a slight drop off in actual points scored.

Last year against Dallas he was pointless in 5/6 games.

Against Colorado, he had 2 pts in 5 games.

When we played the Ducks in the 2nd round he had 1 pts in 5 games.

He seems to be very inconsistent when it comes to the playoffs. For me the biggest issues with him are his skill-set being more of a winger than a center. He has good finish in close but other aspects such as skating, defense, play making, toughness, etc are pretty average. If he isn't getting set up in the slot he's far from elite in any other area. I just feel his impact on the game is so limited when he isn't producing. With Johnny being very similar this becomes a bit of an issue. If these guys can get back to being one of the top offensive lines in the league than the team looks good but otherwise those top two guys are pretty useless.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Keep monny, work another angle. Have a Monny, PLD one two punch down the middle. We have the wingers, and we have a Backlund to fall back on. And, PLDs contract is a perfect fit.for the Flames today and next year. Id move 1st round picks for him plus more.

PLD or Barzal would be players I'd add Bennett into a package for. Edit: let's be clear here before yall get too jumpy. Bennett doesn't have a ton of value, but if we are moving on one of those guys it makes him easier to let go if it helps grease the wheels of a deal.

Still believe PLD goes to the Isles for Barzal though. Just makes sense.

Totally agree.

Changing out Monahan for Dubois might make the team incrementally better, but adding Dubois to a group of centers that includes Monahan and Backlund would make the Flames contenders.

I would gladly overpay with a quantity of assets if it meant adding Dubois and not subtracting from the top 6 forwards.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I view PLD as a future potential number 1 center and Barzal as a potential Franchise center.

How about that Griffin Reinhart though...

[Mattman]

I agree with the people that think we should keep Monahan and go for PDL or Barzal. People wanted a blockbuster shake up last year and I think that's what the Flames still need.

It's that Crosby - Malkin or Backstrom - Kuznetzov center strength that would anchor 2 solid lines.

Move anyone except Tkachuk, Lindholm, Andersson or Valimaki.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I could be way off but here is how I value it.

For PLD I would trade either one of Monahan+ or Gaudreau+ in order to land him (with the + being significant)

For Barzal I would be willing to send a package of Monahan AND Gaudreau with the Flames taking back additional salary

I view PLD as a future potential number 1 center and Barzal as a potential Franchise center.

If Dube and Mangiapane take steps forward I'd absolutely trade Gaudreau and Monahan for Barzal.

It's exactly the change in direction without the complete tear down that we need.

Improve your top end up the middle and let Dube/Mangiapane/Gawdin/Phillips/Pelletier/Zary move up the ranks in the coming seasons to fill out your forward ranks.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

If Dube and Mangiapane take steps forward I'd absolutely trade Gaudreau and Monahan for Barzal.

It's exactly the change in direction without the complete tear down that we need.

Improve your top end up the middle and let Dube/Mangiapane/Gawdin/Phillips/Pelletier/Zary move up the ranks in the coming seasons to fill out your forward ranks.

NY will have to use LTIR money to sign Barzal, how in hell can the take on $13m

[TheChief]

Monahan is probably the 4th best centre on this team as is. That + better be pretty big. (coming from CLB POV)



All the guy has going for him is his chemistry with Gaudreau, which recently has seen them post their worst numbers since their rookies seasons last year and equated to absolutely nothing come crunch time.



If Tre could con CLB into thinking hes a stud then make him world leader!