2016 NHL Draft

[Krynn]

Yeah me too Believer ,I could also see us flipping first and for a goalie

[Krynn]

See I get the bust facter with Tkachuk. I love what I saw with Brown after the Under 18.

[Krynn]

When ever I watched Tkachuk play I never got that feeling that hes going to be one of those players.yes he is talent but I just can't explain why I don't think he will a star lol .I just don't get a good feeling about him

[1qqaaz]

I am surprised that there is so much love for Tyson Jost.

He comes from the BCHL, so he's inherently high risk in terms of development. It can be hard to compare prospects because of the different in league quality.

He's also the second shortest player that is projected to go top 15. Only Keller is shorter, if I'm not mistaken. Jost plays an intense/hardworking style, which may lead to injury problems in the future.

While Jost is a hardworking player, his 2-way game is not great. I understand that this could be improved, but this is still a slight problem. This type of player is rather easy to find in the trade markey, draft, and free agency. Jost clearly doesn't have the skill that Nylander has. IMO, he also has less offensive skill than Brown. I don't see how people can project Jost as a top-line player.

He's smaller than Brown. He's arguably less skilled than Brown. Almost everyone has him projected to go outside of the top 10. I don't understand how people here can think he's a value pick at 6 overall. Trade down to 12, and maybe he's an option. Even then, I'd rather take Jake Bean, Keller, or any of Sergachev, Chychrun, Nylander, Brown, Juolevi. Chances are, one of them will still be there are 10-12.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Don't get me wrong Maatta is a nice player but you don't take him at 6th overall when there's a nice group of very talented forwards in the range.

I think you're overlooking the fact that "nice player" Määttä is just 21 which is really young for a defender, that has suffered some significant injuries and that he is about to win a Stanley Cup in a sizable role.

Whether he's better than the forwards available here is a matter of taste, but Määttä is way better than "nice". Also, I haven't seen THAT many comparisons between Juolevi and Määttä. IMO it's to some extent one of those lazy comparisons where players are the same because they're from the same country.

[Krynn]

I would love jost and hope we can snag him with one of our Seconds but I think he gets pick in the first.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO Brown has a big bust factor attached to him as everyone is falling in love with him because of his size while overlooking his consistency issues, lack of drive (lots of scouts don't know if he gets it), and whether he's going to take full advantage of his size or become a Colborne type of player. What separates the great players from other talented players is desire and this guy looks like the classic talented player that doesn't have the desire required to extract all his talents. From all I have read about him he's Colborne's slightly more talented twin. Guys like Jankowski, Colborne, and Brown are project forwards that take time to bake and the majority of the time come out only half baked and that's the reason guys like Thornton are so rare. At worst he will likely still play in the NHL in a bottom 6 role because lots of teams will give him a chance due to his size but I don't think we are talking about the next Joe Thornton here.

He doesn't have to be Joe Thornton. He could also be a Getzlaf. Wasn't his knock the same back in his draft year? People questioned his drive, but once he matured and turned it up, he became a franchise centerman.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I am surprised that there is so much love for Tyson Jost.

He comes from the BCHL, so he's inherently high risk in terms of development. It can be hard to compare prospects because of the different in league quality.

He's also the second shortest player that is projected to go top 15. Only Keller is shorter, if I'm not mistaken. Jost plays an intense/hardworking style, which may lead to injury problems in the future.

While Jost is a hardworking player, his 2-way game is not great. I understand that this could be improved, but this is still a slight problem. This type of player is rather easy to find in the trade markey, draft, and free agency. Jost clearly doesn't have the skill that Nylander has. IMO, he also has less offensive skill than Brown. I don't see how people can project Jost as a top-line player.

He's smaller than Brown. He's arguably less skilled than Brown. Almost everyone has him projected to go outside of the top 10. I don't understand how people here can think he's a value pick at 6 overall. Trade down to 12, and maybe he's an option. Even then, I'd rather take Jake Bean, Keller, or any of Sergachev, Chychrun, Nylander, Brown, Juolevi. Chances are, one of them will still be there are 10-12.

One tournament doesn't make a player, but on the only stage he has had with his peers (U18s), he outscored both Brown and Nylander (while captaining his team). His plus/minus was also better if that counts for anything.

Due to lack of sample size, I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that he is the most talented of the three. Also, since he isn't used to playing at that level of competition, his performance stands out even brighter.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Itse

I think you're overlooking the fact that "nice player" Määttä is just 21 which is really young for a defender, that has suffered some significant injuries and that he is about to win a Stanley Cup in a sizable role.

Whether he's better than the forwards available here is a matter of taste, but Määttä is way better than "nice". Also, I haven't seen THAT many comparisons between Juolevi and Määttä. IMO it's to some extent one of those lazy comparisons where players are the same because they're from the same country.

I still say Juolevi reminds me more of a young Nik Lidstrom without as good of a shot. I think he will be a top 2 minute munching D man in the NHL. While I agree that we should be after a forward I have nightmares about the Oilers getting a brain and grabbing Juolevi at 4.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I still say Juolevi reminds me more of a young Nik Lidstrom without as good of a shot. I think he will be a top 2 minute munching D man in the NHL. While I agree that we should be after a forward I have nightmares about the Oilers getting a brain and grabbing Juolevi at 4.

Yeah Juolevi appears to be just what they need. Fortunately that organization has the patience of a 6 year old so I doubt they draft him. Can't wait 3-5 years for Juolevi to develop, that would be madness.

[bigrangy]

At 6 it is down to Keller vs Nylander vs Brown for me. Strongly preferring Keller, but I can definitely be swayed.

Fabbro is my top D.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

He doesn't have to be Joe Thornton. He could also be a Getzlaf. Wasn't his knock the same back in his draft year? People questioned his drive, but once he matured and turned it up, he became a franchise centerman.

I don't think Brown has the same skillset at Getzlaf nor is he as physical a player. Getzlaf slid out of the first round due to character concerns as he got his leadership stripped from him. With Brown it's not a character thing and more of a question of if he truly loves to play the game and has the drive to always be trying to get better. The elite players in the NHL are always working on getting better because they truly love to play the game and want to be the best they can be. Monahan's best trait was that he was a serious, hard working guy and that's why he's translated well to the NHL. You would think most players would be totally jacked up for their draft season trying to be the best they could be for scouts and Brown was a no-show for half a season. That's a little troubling.

[shutout]

http://flamesnation.ca/2016/6/9/chl-...s-by-nhle-2016

CHL forward NHLe stats analysis

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think Brown has the same skillset at Getzlaf nor is he as physical a player. Getzlaf slid out of the first round due to character concerns as he got his leadership stripped from him. With Brown it's not a character thing and more of a question of if he truly loves to play the game and has the drive to always be trying to get better. The elite players in the NHL are always working on getting better because they truly love to play the game and want to be the best they can be. Monahan's best trait was that he was a serious, hard working guy and that's why he's translated well to the NHL. You would think most players would be totally jacked up for their draft season trying to be the best they could be for scouts and Brown was a no-show for half a season. That's a little troubling.

Agreed. Drive and fire do not usually improve with age. Sometimes it does, as with Getzlaf. But most of the time is doesn't. Brown's lack of passion for the game, and the fact he has been called the one of the weakest players in the draft (in spite of his size) are alarm bells.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by shutout

http://flamesnation.ca/2016/6/9/chl-...s-by-nhle-2016

CHL forward NHLe stats analysis

I really hope Debrincat falls to 35 - could be a game changer with his skillset at that spot.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Agreed. Drive and fire do not usually improve with age. Sometimes it does, as with Getzlaf. But most of the time is doesn't. Brown's lack of passion for the game, and the fact he has been called the one of the weakest players in the draft (in spite of his size) are alarm bells.

Agreed. Don't get me wrong if the Flames draft him I will be on board because the will have done much more investigation than fans or scouts on his passion. As of now pre-draft and just looking at what I have read about all these prospects there's a few alarm bells with this guy that is hard to ignore as there are lots of gifted athletes that are great at sports but not all of them have it in them to become true professionals.

IMO any team that drafts Brown has to view him as a project as they are going to have to work on him getting much stronger and guide him through the path of what it takes to become a pro. What impresses me the most about guys like Crosby, McDavid, Monahan, etc as these kids were already pros the day they were drafted. That's not the case for all of these kids and some need to be shown the way and it's a matter of hoping they go down the right path.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I still say Juolevi reminds me more of a young Nik Lidstrom without as good of a shot. I think he will be a top 2 minute munching D man in the NHL. While I agree that we should be after a forward I have nightmares about the Oilers getting a brain and grabbing Juolevi at 4.

Well in that nightmare scenario we'd be guaranteed one of Dubois/Tkachuk so I'm actually fine with EDM taking a dman.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Agreed. Drive and fire do not usually improve with age. Sometimes it does, as with Getzlaf. But most of the time is doesn't. Brown's lack of passion for the game, and the fact he has been called the one of the weakest players in the draft (in spite of his size) are alarm bells.

Genuine question on Brown, are scouts all agreeing he has motivation issues?

Big guys with long strides and hockey intelligence can appear to be floating and dogging it, but they cover a lot of ice and know where to be.

The highlights I've seen of him, I came away really impressed with his skating, playmaking and his shot. I can't remember the last time I've seen a guy that big skate that well.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Well in that nightmare scenario we'd be guaranteed one of Dubois/Tkachuk so I'm actually fine with EDM taking a dman.

My trade scenario on the previous page would be even better as I don't think Murray will be as good as Juolevi when all is said and done. Ideally the Oilers draft Chychrun if they are going to draft one of the top 3 D. That won't happen though.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by icecube

Genuine question on Brown, are scouts all agreeing he has motivation issues?

Big guys with long strides and hockey intelligence can appear to be floating and dogging it, but they cover a lot of ice and know where to be.

The highlights I've seen of him, I came away really impressed with his skating, playmaking and his shot. I can't remember the last time I've seen a guy that big skate that well.

Couldn't find it, but his coach, former Flame Rocky Thompson had a great interview on the Fan about 6 weeks ago.

To me it was more of a "getting it" moment then an attitude adjustment. A polite kid that starting cluing in to what he needs to do to make a difference in the second half of the season.

He grew up relying on his size and hands to set up teammates and was happy on the perimeter. But playing with Lemieux for a few months finally clued him into having to go to the net because Lemieux never passed the puck back to him, he shot it every time.

By the end of the season he was using his size and reach (hands) to finish plays himself.