2016 NHL Draft

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Doesn't really matter, because all you're doing now is changing your tune to save face. That isn't what you said on the Fan960 at all, and you were equally dismissive in your posting history at that time as well. On that call you were ranting and completely thrown off by the Toews comparisons, which everyone with any common sense knew where stylistic in nature, and in no way a direct comparison. It is like people who have compared Gaudreau's vision and style to Gretzky. Anyone with common sense knows no one is saying they're comparable talents at present. That was pointed out to you at the time and seemed to go right over your head. It was at the point where he was in disbelief with your take even after you were cut off.

Either way, this is completely off topic here and I have no interest in discussing it with you any further. It's crystal clear you've changed your tune in an attempt to save on the way you came across before.

Shut up.

This is the post he's referring to.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=268

You are literally the only one in the thread that night who had any problem with what I said. I havent changed my tune on Monahan. You are just a crybaby who thinks people really care what he thinks about what they think.

I wouldnt even reply to you if you didnt suggest I was a Monahan hater when I have a signed Monahan jersey...
You have to be one of the most annoying posters on here.

The only place I changed my tune is on his contract. I was originally weary of handing him a 7x7 contract (I thought he was worth about 5.5-6 at the time),and now with the cap going up and after some of the things he showed this past season, he deserves it.

You brought up a call I made, LAST HALLOWEEN that everyone in the PGT absolutely loved, and claiming I hate sean monahan or have some issue with him. I dont. I called in to make a point about a player that a lot of other people have made on this forum. Is he a 1A, or a 1B, Does he generate offense, or is he a good finisher on a line that generates a lot.

Didnt you say you were going to block me on here? So why havent you.

Anyway heres the thread. People can make their own decision on what gojetsgo is trying to paint as hatred towards one of my favorite players..

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...called&page=13

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Shut up.

This is the post he's referring to.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=268

You are literally the only one in the thread that night who had any problem with what I said. I havent changed my tune on Monahan. You are just a crybaby who thinks people really care what he thinks about what they think.

I wouldnt even reply to you if you didnt suggest I was a Monahan hater when I have a signed Monahan jersey...
You have to be one of the most annoying posters on here.

The only place I changed my tune is on his contract. I was originally weary of handing him a 7x7 contract (I thought he was worth about 5.5-6 at the time),and now with the cap going up and after some of the things he showed this past season, he deserves it.

You brought up a call I made, LAST HALLOWEEN that everyone in the PGT absolutely loved, and claiming I hate sean monahan or have some issue with him. I dont. I called in to make a point about a player that a lot of other people have made on this forum. Is he a 1A, or a 1B, Does he generate offense, or is he a good finisher on a line that generates a lot.

Didnt you say you were going to block me on here? So why havent you.

Anyway heres the thread. People can make their own decision on what gojetsgo is trying to paint as hatred towards one of my favorite players..

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...called&page=13

Thanks for the reminder about ignoring you. It's a great idea with you immediately resorting to continued insults and telling me to shut up etc. Not sure how you get away with that, but it's par for the course as far as I'm concerned, and how I thought you came across on that call as well (agitated).

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Thanks for the reminder about ignoring you. It's a great idea with you immediately resorting to continued insults and telling me to shut up etc. Not sure how you get away with that, but it's par for the course as far as I'm concerned, and how I thought you came across on that call as well (agitated).

MOD EDIT: That's enough.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

You seem to me like that little dweeb no one likes in grade 4 who "rats" or "taddle tales" on his peers. Grow up and stick to the thread title primadonna. Hes entitled to his opinion get over yourself

MOD EDIT: Enough.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Logan Brown:

Why are people insisting that he is a lesser-skilled player, but think Nylander is some type of super-skilled player? They had about the same amount of points. Nylander was the slightly better goal-scorer, Brown the better playmaker. That can easily flip-flop. Also, board-play and puck-possession IS a skill, and Brown possesses it in spades. He wasn't some over-muscled, earlier maturing physical phenom that was running guys over to get his points, and who would look like he may not have that advantage any longer in the NHL. Brown is one of this year's most attractive prospects with his size, reach, skating, IQ and yes, one of the most skilled players available this draft.

Keller vs Jost vs Nylander:

For me, Keller and Jost are both a more attractive pick than Nylander - and I do have a bias for size, so why not pick Nylander ahead of those two, since he is the bigger player? Pace! Jost has an unbelievable non-stop motor in all zones of the ice. Keller is somewhat similar, but isn't quite the puck-retrieval hound that Jost is. Nylander is the guy who plays with the least amount of pace and consistency in his shifts, but yet was ranked as the fittest? Yeah, give me the two kids with skill that are only arguably worse than Nylander's (I think Keller is higher, and Jost is right around there too).

Why were the Pens and Lightning successful this year? It isn't just speed vs brawn. It is all about pace out there. Pittsburgh just doesn't look fast, they look they like are always going. Just a team that seems to be constantly moving more than San Jose, constantly backchecking, constantly out-working San Jose. They aren't just out-racing the Sharks to loose pucks. They are out-working them. Keller and Jost fit so well with Bennett from that standpoint, and with Backlund on the next line it creates a successive formidable puck-retrieval wave.

I like Brown because - last time I checked - board play was still a factor in the NHL. Nobody on the Flames is going to be able to protect the puck better than a 6'7" center with skill, vision, skating ability and IQ. Sure, try to take the puck away from him, and he will just go around you. Add that to the stable of Jankowski and Colborne, and suddenly the Flames have guys that can control larger sections of the ice, and have the size and eventual strength to both cycle effectively, and help stop a cycle effectively. That means something.

I don't know how to rank Keller/Jost/Brown - I really don't. But I do have them on another tier than Nylander (relatively speaking - it isn't like comparing Tkachuk's level to Mathews').

What are the Flames? When it comes down to it, what have the Flames consistently been for 30 years or so - minus about 5 years (give or take) post '04 run? Black and Blue? Sure, throughout a majority of those years, sure. Skilled? Not exactly. Fast? Not exactly.

They were a team of guys who played hard. That was the culture in Calgary. Even through the 90's, those under-skilled teams at least played hard most of the time. That is my best definition of 'hard to play against'.

Also, I think there is too much of an argument over position. Flames are going to draft BPA - who they think will end up becoming the best player for them, period. They are not going to rank a wingers higher in the list to fill a hole - holes fill up and show up (and sometimes glaringly so) from season-to-season, and there is a good chance that nobody the Flames select at 6 is going to be ready to fill a hole immediately.

Flames are also not going to rank goalies ahead of defencemen ahead of centers ahead of wingers. They are going to rank BPA. Johnny Gaudreau has more value than Hamilton. Patrick Kane has more value than Seabrook. You want to hit the most value on your pick, you draft the best available player. Sure, in the event of a hotly contested tie, you pick the more valuable position - and I believe essentially that is what Burke said. So, if they view Keller is better then Brown or Juolevi, then they will draft Keller. I am ok with that.

I have made peace with just about anyone that the Flames take there - even Nylander (who I feel doesn't fit the Flames as well). I am ok with them moving up and grabbing Puljujarvi, but not at the expense of someone like Backlund. Backlund is not getting traded for help up front - Backlund would leave a massive whole on the Flames that I don't think Monahan and Bennett will ever really fill even at their primes - he is a guy that plays with a non-stop motor against the best lines in the NHL, and not only shuts them out, but out-scores them while he is on the ice.

I am also ok with the Flames dropping down a max of 3 or 4 spots - my worst guy is Nylander, and I would be ok if the Flames drafted him at 6 (though not thrilled, I would be open-minded, and he unquestionably is skilled enough to be selected at 6th going by merit).

This draft is going to be an 'easy' one I think. The Flames have the top pick in the third tier - arguably

One final word on Logan Brown. Columbus thought enough of him to risk a fine and take a good hard look at him. He isn't Hunter Smith with a bit more skill. He has 'top of the draft skill'. Due to his size, he also instantly becomes the most dynamic prospect in the top 10 not named Laine. Why? Because huge guys with loads of skill can beat you so many ways. If Brown was 6'0", I am sure he would still be talked about as a top 10 pick, or near top 10. His numbers justify it. Those 7 inches (6.something) add up to a lot of puck protection, especially given his arms are probably longer than most prospects in the draft too. He becomes - next to Laine (IMO) - this draft's most versatile skilled forward because of his total package - INCLUDING skill.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SebC

It's a cherry-picked example though. It might make sense that McKenzie's consensus of NHL scouts is a better assessment of what "should" happen than Button personal opinion. And if not, an NHL team should be hiring Button.

For sure.

And I wasn't suggesting that Button is smarter than the 10 scouts that McKenzie talks to.

I just thought it interesting to see what someone thinks will happen versus how someone thinks it should go down.

They're different perspectives.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Count me in the camp that will be happy with any of Brown/Jost/Keller/Dmen/Nylander, if it comes to those guys. Nylander has never been my top choice, but listening to Rich Sutter this morning on the FAN, and he was absolutely gushing about the guy. It sounded like he spent a lot of time watching the OHL and felt that the Knights' guys benefit greatly from being such a strong team, and if Nylander was on there, he would have had even better numbers. A bit of chicken and egg argument (great players make a great team), but food for thought for sure.

[shutout]

http://www.flamesfrom80feet.ca/

Darren Haynes thoughts on six players the Flames could draft

[Miniac]

What time is the draft on June 24th? Thanks!

[Ashasx]

5 pm

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Count me in the camp that will be happy with any of Brown/Jost/Keller/Dmen/Nylander, if it comes to those guys. Nylander has never been my top choice, but listening to Rich Sutter this morning on the FAN, and he was absolutely gushing about the guy. It sounded like he spent a lot of time watching the OHL and felt that the Knights' guys benefit greatly from being such a strong team, and if Nylander was on there, he would have had even better numbers. A bit of chicken and egg argument (great players make a great team), but food for thought for sure.

Its actually a good listen about how he brings up Nylander as somebody who is very talented. Says that his size gets overlooked and that he plays with a lot more drive than people think.

In Rich's opinion he feels that Mikhail Sergachyov is the best defenseman in the draft.

If his opinions in any way are around the thoughts of the flames scouting consensus than you would have to think that the Flames draft order of four players is:

Tkachuk
Dubois
Nylander
Sergachyov

[dissentowner]

I have been thinking about this Logan Brown-Columbus connection thing and I think maybe we have been looking at it wrong about them trading down. Maybe instead they are looking at trading for #4 as well. Columbus are going to have to expose some good D in the expansion draft if they don't do some trading. Edmonton is looking for a top end D man for that #4 pick. It has been reported many times that the Oilers scouts liked Murray in his draft year #1. So how about the Jackets trade Murray to Edmonton for #4? The Oilers get their young D man who can step in now and has the tools to become a solid #1.
The Jackets can then take Puljujarvi and Brown 3 and 4. This would also benefit the Flames as a side note as the Canucks would almost certainly take Dubois or less likely a D man and that drops Tkachuk right in our lap at 6.

[SportsJunky]

Calgary4Life just made me flip to Brown as the #6 guy. Damnit. I wasn't sure before who I liked but I knew it wasn't Brown until 5 minutes ago.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by shutout

http://www.flamesfrom80feet.ca/

Darren Haynes thoughts on six players the Flames could draft

I don't always agree with Haynes but he and I are exactly on the same page when it comes to who the Flames should pick and why.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have been thinking about this Logan Brown-Columbus connection thing and I think maybe we have been looking at it wrong about them trading down. Maybe instead they are looking at trading for #4 as well. Columbus are going to have to expose some good D in the expansion draft if they don't do some trading. Edmonton is looking for a top end D man for that #4 pick. It has been reported many times that the Oilers scouts liked Murray in his draft year #1. So how about the Jackets trade Murray to Edmonton for #4? The Oilers get their young D man who can step in now and has the tools to become a solid #1.
The Jackets can then take Puljujarvi and Brown 3 and 4. This would also benefit the Flames as a side note as the Canucks would almost certainly take Dubois or less likely a D man and that drops Tkachuk right in our lap at 6.

That's incredibley smart.


So I don't think the Oilers will do it

[cral12]

Would the Flames consider this lad in the 2nd round?

Frederic Allard - "The General"

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by cral12

Would the Flames consider this lad in the 2nd round?

Frederic Allard - "The General"

Maybe. I wouldn't. Sounds like more of what we already have in Kylington and Andersson.

[Krynn]

My top 3 are Dubois ,Brown, Nylander. I don't see Vancouver passing on Dubois so I have no problem if we picked Brown over Nylander .I just have a feeling Logan Brown is going to be one of those Special players where ever team regrets not taking him earlier. I don't have the American feeling with Nylander or Tkachuk

[Believer]

If niether power forward is available when the Flames go to select at 6. I wouldn't be suprised to hear a trade announcement of the flames moving down 1-3 spots.

[Erick Estrada]

IMO Brown has a big bust factor attached to him as everyone is falling in love with him because of his size while overlooking his consistency issues, lack of drive (lots of scouts don't know if he gets it), and whether he's going to take full advantage of his size or become a Colborne type of player. What separates the great players from other talented players is desire and this guy looks like the classic talented player that doesn't have the desire required to extract all his talents. From all I have read about him he's Colborne's slightly more talented twin. Guys like Jankowski, Colborne, and Brown are project forwards that take time to bake and the majority of the time come out only half baked and that's the reason guys like Thornton are so rare. At worst he will likely still play in the NHL in a bottom 6 role because lots of teams will give him a chance due to his size but I don't think we are talking about the next Joe Thornton here.

As for Juolevi I've heard numerous times from different scouts that he's Olli Maatta. Don't get me wrong Maatta is a nice player but you don't take him at 6th overall when there's a nice group of very talented forwards in the range. Really Sergachev is the only guy that has the talent you expect of a top 6 pick and he's got the Russian factor going against him as well as deficiencies in his defensive play. I'm with Darren as the pick should be a forward.