Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Commandant

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/...er-profile-54/

Oh yeah, the Oil Kings back up goalie, Tristan Jarry. Someone on this site has had a boner for this guy for a while. If he's still around in the third round and if we haven't already taken Fucale, he wouldn't be a bad choice.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Yes. It would be worse than if O'Reilly didn't get matched and he got claimed off waivers.

I'm starting to get a really bad feeling the Flames are targeting this kid in the first round. I would rather find out what they have in Brossoit and Gillies before using a 1st round pick on a goaltender. The team needs a lot of help and I don't see the point of using a high pick on a position where the team has the most organizational depth when there will be some good forwards and defensemen available at the Blues and Penguins picks. Lots of good goaltenders can be found in Europe and I don't know if it's great practice to pick one in the first round of the draft anymore unless the kid looks really special.

[shutout]

What if you traded #28 and #97 to the Islanders.
Received back #15, #76, Niederreiter, and DiPietro.

Islanders have draft picks #15 and #76.
Nino Niederreiter
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=17679

CBC Friedman 30 Thoughts - #27. Here's what the New York Islanders are doing with Rick DiPietro. They are letting teams know that if they are interested in taking the goalie's contract off their hands, they will try to make it worthwhile. They'll consider taking a bad contract in return, maybe even a draft pick (or picks) or prospects. Still, it won't be easy. "That will have to be one heck of an asset," said another GM. A buyout now would have DiPietro on your books until 2029.

LENGTH: 15 YEAR(S) VALUE: $67,500,000 TYPE: STANDARD EXPIRY STATUS: UFA

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm starting to get a really bad feeling the Flames are targeting this kid in the first round. I would rather find out what they have in Brossoit and Gillies before using a 1st round pick on a goaltender. The team needs a lot of help and I don't see the point of using a high pick on a position where the team has the most organizational depth when there will be some good forwards and defensemen available at the Blues and Penguins picks. Lots of good goaltenders can be found in Europe and I don't know if it's great practice to pick one in the first round of the draft anymore unless the kid looks really special.

I wouldn't worry. The Flames are looking for help now, not 4-7 years down the road. They won't take a goalie in the first round.

[3thirty]

Originally Posted by shutout

What if you traded #28 and #97 to the Islanders.
Received back #15, #76, Niederreiter, and DiPietro.

Islanders have draft picks #15 and #76.
Nino Niederreiter
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=17679

CBC Friedman 30 Thoughts - #27. Here's what the New York Islanders are doing with Rick DiPietro. They are letting teams know that if they are interested in taking the goalie's contract off their hands, they will try to make it worthwhile. They'll consider taking a bad contract in return, maybe even a draft pick (or picks) or prospects. Still, it won't be easy. "That will have to be one heck of an asset," said another GM. A buyout now would have DiPietro on your books until 2029.

LENGTH: 15 YEAR(S) VALUE: $67,500,000 TYPE: STANDARD EXPIRY STATUS: UFA

This is being discussed at length in the trade speculation thread.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=123230

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Oh yeah, the Oil Kings back up goalie, Tristan Jarry. Someone on this site has had a boner for this guy for a while. If he's still around in the third round and if we haven't already taken Fucale, he wouldn't be a bad choice.

I'm pretty sure that was Moneyguy. Hard to tell if he really liked him or was trying to troll Calgary fans by saying Broissoit's backup was actually better than him.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

If you guys don't mind a scouting report from an Oilers fan, I'll provide this.

I'm a big Oil Kings fan and go to a lot of their games and have watched Brossoit a great deal. In my view, he's not the best goalie on the team. Tristan Jarry is the best athlete and the best prospect. I think Jarry's numbers are better playing a backup role. He'll be the starter next season and has the potential to go in the second round, but third or fourth is more likely. I think LB went in the sixth, if I recall correctly.

Having said this, Brossoit is l,ights out these playoffs. He's big and his positional play is excellent. He's a good prospect but I think he'll never be more than a backup at the NHL level and his likely role is as an AHL goalie who has a (long) shot as an NHL backup. His teammate love him so he'll be a good guy in the room.

Watch Jarry, however. He's younger and will be better. He has NHL starter potential.

Originally Posted by Goodlad

I'm pretty sure that was Moneyguy. Hard to tell if he really liked him or was trying to troll Calgary fans by saying Broissoit's backup was actually better than him.

Yeah, it was him. Having re-read it though it sounds like a pretty sincere recommendation. Would much rather grab Jarry in the 3rd than Fucale in the 1st (if we really must grab a goalie this draft.)

[The Yen Man]

I think it's a pipedream to expect Flames owners to eat $24M in salary for DiPetro. Would you if you were the owner? These guys didn't get rich by throwing money away like that. The Saddledome still sells out, and there's still a waiting list for corporate boxes. Where's the financial benefit in eating that much money? It's not like Flames will all of a sudden become contenders and make the playoffs.

[Canada 02]

Craig Button is doing another online draft Q & A. Usually, some pretty good info

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I think it's a pipedream to expect Flames owners to eat $24M in salary for DiPetro. Would you if you were the owner? These guys didn't get rich by throwing money away like that. The Saddledome still sells out, and there's still a waiting list for corporate boxes. Where's the financial benefit in eating that much money? It's not like Flames will all of a sudden become contenders and make the playoffs.

While I agree, I still think Feaster needs to push this. If the total paid to DiPietro is $24M, but the Flames can send a roster player like Tanguay back to the Isles as part of the trade, plus the benefit of getting an attractive piece or two from the Isles for taking DiPietro plus the Flames discounted roster for the next few years (not spending to the cap), that money can be recouped and the rebuild process expediated. Might be able to sell it?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I think it's a pipedream to expect Flames owners to eat $24M in salary for DiPetro. Would you if you were the owner? These guys didn't get rich by throwing money away like that. The Saddledome still sells out, and there's still a waiting list for corporate boxes. Where's the financial benefit in eating that much money? It's not like Flames will all of a sudden become contenders and make the playoffs.

I think the Ownership wants to win and a deal like this would add a quality first rounder and a legit prospect. Essentially taking a year off a rebuild. Of course the players need to pan out but imagine adding Monahan, Ristolainen, Horvat, and Niederreiter to our prospect pool just this year (that is just the 1st round picks). Something like that could right a ship rather quickly.

[The Yen Man]

As a fan, I'd love it if Flames opened up their purse strings and gave Feaster the go ahead aquire more picks/prospects via the DiPetro route. I'd be ecstatic if that trade ever went down, say on draft day. I just won't expect it, because I don't want to set myself up for disappointment.

It honestly would move the organization forward a couple of years if it ever happened though. You would potentially acquire a blue chip prospect along with another 1st rounder in a deep draft.

[Canada 02]

Craig Button on Monahan vs Lindholm

I think Sean Monahan and Elias Lindholm at the very least will be #2 centers in the NHL with the potential to be #1 centers. There is no discernible difference between the two players IMO. Both players are exceptionally smart and I think that is a pre-requisite for being a good center in the NHL. When I watch Krejci & Bergeron, I see that exceptional intelligence and while they are different, they are very strong players for the Bruins. Again, I'm not smart enough to say that Sean is clearly better than Elias or the other way around and leave that to the teams to make that decision. I say that because of this; "I am assessing players' NHL potential once they have matured (about 21-22) and teams have to look at how players fit into their particular organization and a lot of that is done when they meet and spend time with the players to understand how one player may potentially fit better than another based on all players in that teams' organization. It's an important step and one that I don't partake in. That is the fine line when you are talking about players in the same tier of talent IMO.

[sureLoss]

I think a Dipietro deal is likely if the following occurs from the Flames perspective:

Isles take Tanguay ($10.5 mil salary going back to the Islanders and essentially a net gain of $13.5 million in salary for the Flames)

The assets the Islanders send with DiPietro are enough to help acquire a pick in the top 4.

Feaster was able to convince ownership to commit the money and assets for a RoR offer sheet because he was sold to them as a franchise center.

If Feaster can convince the owners that they can get a franchise player (he has been claiming their are 4 elite franchise players publicly) by eating the DiPietro buyout, I think it is possible to see it happen.

[Canada 02]

Craig Button on Bo Horvat

Craig Button: London was a high scoring team. Bo helps teams score in many, many ways through his play. He can shoot, he can pass, he can push opponents off the puck, he can create distractions at the net, he is smart, he is determined, he is versatile. Bo is a player who helps teams win and while he won't be a scoring champion, I am confident that he will be a Stanley Cup Champion.

[Canada 02]

Craig Button on who may be NHL ready, other than the top 3

Craig Button:
In no particular order. I will qualify that I am listing those players who I feel can contribute to some extent next season, not necessarily 'play' games in the NHL. Barkov, Nichushkin, Monahan, Ristolainen. Perhaps Lindholm but I feel he would benefit tremendously by playing another year in Sweden at center, he played RW this past season.

[Canada 02]

Craig Button on Rasmus Ristolainen

Craig Button:
Rasmus is close to being NHL ready. He reminds me of two players. Brent Seabrook on one side of the evaluation and Derek Morris on the other side. Both Solid NHL players. If teams see more of Seabrook, he will go earlier, If teams see more of Morris, he will go a little later. I think that is the range of potential for Rasmus but I have no doubt. he will be a long time NHL player. I haven't seen as much of the Seabrook player as I have seen of the Morris player and that is why I have him outside my top 20.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Isles take Tanguay ($10.5 mil salary going back to the Islanders and essentially a net gain of $13.5 million in salary for the Flames)

You're not accounting for the replacement cost of Tanguay (the cost of whomever replaces him).

[nik-]

Ramsus is someone I was definitely interested in, but he'll be gone between 6 and 22 for sure.

My hope is still Lindholm, Zykov with 6 and 22, but if we could get Ristolainen with #22 that would be awesome.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Parallex

You're not accounting for the replacement cost of Tanguay (the cost of whomever replaces him).

With the way he phoned in last year and was maybe the worst defensive player on the roster behind Babchuk, the acquisition cost to replace him should be roughly a million dollar 3rd/4th line player.

He was awful and once Iginla left, was even worse. Tanguay is the last remaining player to trade in order to move on from the Iginla era. I'd move him for a mid-pick just to get him off the team. I think his value around the league is probably pretty low.