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[dissentowner]

Drury, Timbo, what are your thoughts on HG15

[Oling_Roachinen]

Hockeyguy15 if you changed your vote because Timbo and Drury weren't sure, why did you not just unvote, force the 2-2 tie and increase our time to discuss things? Instead you tried to kill diss without knowing drury18 would vote me.

Crap, you are the godfather.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Drury, Timbo, what are your thoughts on HG15

He has played under the radar I am researching voting patterns. It is possible Stazzy was Scum like baxter and could not contribute enough so the remaining scum urged stazzy to quit.

Olings voting is more town IMO than yours or HG15 (that's just my interpretation)

I think I need more time to look into everyone I want to look more at HG15's play in game 1 and 2.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Timbo

He has played under the radar I am researching voting patterns. It is possible Stazzy was Scum like baxter and could not contribute enough so the remaining scum urged stazzy to quit.

Olings voting is more town IMO than yours or HG15 (that's just my interpretation)

I think I need more time to look into everyone I want to look more at HG15's play in game 1 and 2.

You can go back and look but I can tell you right now I've played differently. Every game is different and can't be treated the same so I have tried to evolve my game. After last game I realized that locking onto one person and not being open to explains toon isn't helpful to the town. Look at how much noise it creates, look at the Timbo and GGG lynches when people lock on and don't listen to reasoning. We had Oling and GGG going hard on everyone already and too many people throwing out accusations at everyone isn't helpful. Plus this game we had the cult dynamic which we hadn't seen before and that changed the way the game is played.

I've tried to question players when something didn't seem right and see what their explaination is rather than attack someone and blindly believe I am right on my assumption. I learned a lot from that Agulati (I think) slip up last game when I jumped on him for having that lynch/night kill mixup.

Going out now, will be back probably around 5.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Hockeyguy15 if you changed your vote because Timbo and Drury weren't sure, why did you not just unvote, force the 2-2 tie and increase our time to discuss things? Instead you tried to kill diss without knowing drury18 would vote me.

Crap, you are the godfather.

Because I think Timbo and Drury are town, so that leaves you and Diss. Either it's 4-1 and one of you are the last Mafia or it's 3-2 and you are both Mafia and you guys would rather have you lynched. Either way I played a hunch, and in my mind I didn't think it would lose the game.

[Timbo]

Looking back HG15 play is vastly different from Game 2.
He was a driver
He made lots of lists
He regularly called people out
Now HG15 is right in calling game play an evolution. It does not exclude him from being scum.

My biggest problem with Hockyguy is when we were nearing the hammer and he knew I was online and Drury was online he could have stated his reasons for a vote on Diss or just an unvote for time . He didn't he went ninja.

Voting Oling for hours then hides in the weeds and pulls a ninja.
He simply could have said I am un-voting I want more time. He did not engage in any of the pre deadline conversation. He had this planned IMO had he just unvoted at the 11th hour it would be less scummy than the unvote vote combo.
It was a gambit to move the vote off Oling and have the game won for mafia in a Hail Mary /trick play.
Just an unvote that is justified
A unvote - vote @ 9:59 is sneaky and scummy looking to game the game for the win.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

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I've tried to question players when something didn't seem right and see what their explaination is rather than attack someone and blindly believe I am right on my assumption. I learned a lot from that Agulati (I think) slip up last game when I jumped on him for having that lynch/night kill mixup.

This statement is a complete 180 from your actions at the deadline.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Drury, Timbo, what are your thoughts on HG15

I sure as hell wasn't posting this "not knowing what to do with it".

Originally Posted by Drury18

In the Aeneas vote, it was Starseed, HG15 and Timbo who never voted for him.

Starseed also only voted for GirlySports once before, early on Day 2. The rest of his votes that day were: GirlySports, East Coast Flame, hmmhmmcamo, Aeneas, Delgar, hmmhmmcamo. His votes on Day 7 were: Squiggs96, Dissentower, Oling_Roachinen

HG15 only voted GirlySports early on Day 7 and changed his to Dissentower and Squiggs after GirlySports made the Princess claim.

Timbo was also a early voter on GirlySports on Day 2 and changed to hmmhmmcamo. On Day 7 his voting was: GirlySports (changed after the Princess claim), Dissentower, Oling_Roachinen, Squiggs96

Disclaimer: Not fully sure what to do with this info. Once we had 2 confirmed scum, I started going through looking on voting patterns with them. This is what I got. I highly doubt all the remaining scum would be this obvious, but thought it was something to put up in case turns on a lightbulb for someone else.

HG15 jumped in almost immediately after I posted it with this:

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Not sure if it matters at all but I was off for drinks/dinner and the Flames game when Girly was killed and Aeneas was lynched. My vote would have come off squiggs after he killed Girly.

Of course though, I'm going to say I believed he wasn't scum. Wanted to see if Timbo or Starseed answered to this. Timbo didn't. Starseed didn't. Only HG15.

There's also this I posted yesterday:
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=5002

Not being able to find anything on HG15's role bothers me. I can't find anything and I've tried. I've looked at so many other online mafia games, there's no mention of a rewind so this must be some unique power.

HG15 hasn't been investigated, most of the rest of us have. Godfathers are immune from investigation so that eliminates Diss and Drury from being godfathers. Timbo? His powers are pretty dependent on hiding properly and not being killed by scum while doing his bucket thing. Why would scum have a guy who buckets people and could be killed if the target was killed? It makes no sense.

Aside from me, he's had the least votes in this game but I feel he's not posting nearly as scruntizable (is that a word? It is now...) things as I've been, despite having more posts. I've spoke of every invite, transcribed every twilight, posted voting totals. I've put theories out there, I've worked through things with others trying to figure out information. I don't hide from conflict. I've put up so many things that if I was out to lunch, someone would have jumped on it by now. I've had to earn my trust from the town and continued to do so even long after I whipped out my power. HG15 comes in here and there, whips out a sword and he's deemed town. It feels very under the radar to me.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Timbo

My biggest problem with Hockyguy is when we were nearing the hammer and he knew I was online and Drury was online he could have stated his reasons for a vote on Diss or just an unvote for time . He didn't he went ninja.

Voting Oling for hours then hides in the weeds and pulls a ninja.

He simply could have said I am un-voting I want more time. He did not engage in any of the pre deadline conversation. He had this planned IMO had he just unvoted at the 11th hour it would be less scummy than the unvote vote combo.
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See, I agree with this Timbo. Had HG15 said ANYTHING about unvoting for more time, I wouldn't have voted Oling. I would have let the deadline pass with the tie and wait for the sudden death extra time. And you know what my proof is that is? We are sitting here having this conversation and it's still Day 10! I had two options at 10pm: vote to tie and get more time to talk things out because most of us were gone for Friday or use the powers and stop the lynch and put us into Night 10 without any further information.

Which one did I do?

[Timbo]

Trying to see motive here
So if HG15 motive was to save Oling it made him look more like he was in collusion with Oling.
How do you talk you way out of this?
Or was he gambling on you not getting a last second vote in and putting us in a no win situation.
Or was he gambling on you using your power and saving Diss?

Save Diss/lynch HG/Night-kill Drury/Lynch Oling Oling flips town and we say oh crap /Night-kill Timbo/ Mafia wins!

Not to bad a gamble.
Ninja Unvote/vote is not townie behaviour
Ninja Unvote could be a moment of indecision.

Now lets think of the extra vote Diss has
1. Could be puxlut and starseed had 1 vote EACH but only used it sparingly
as in the HG15 bucket moment. 1 went to HG15 1 to me 1 from my bucket.
then Puxlut had one last gasp and voted Diss instead of Oling.

2.Or... The extra vote on Diss could be a penalty for using a poison on GGG

[Oling_Roachinen]

I still don't trust Diss, I've said my reasons.

However, I think there is a very good chance that Hockeyguy15 is the Godfather. And I think there's more than a possibility they are working together. I think there's a chance they misinterpret Dury18 showing up last minute as him using his power, not him killing me.

If he changes his vote after Timbo and Drury "convince" him near the lynch and I end up dieing, I think the only possibility to win would be to vote Hockeyguy15 out and drop Diss since it will probably be Diss/Timbo/Hockeyguy15 tomorrow or maybe Diss/Drury18/Hockeyguy15.

[Timbo]

Well without a doubt I feel the ninja vote / un-vote was the scummiest play of this game

[Timbo]

I mean ninja un-vote/vote

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I still don't trust Diss, I've said my reasons.

However, I think there is a very good chance that Hockeyguy15 is the Godfather. And I think there's more than a possibility they are working together.

Wow, I am apparently working with everyone. HG15 accuses me of working with you. Now you are accusing me of working with HG15. Really??? GS accused me of working with Rathji. Starseed accused me of working with squiggs. I am trying to work with the town, the only ones I can trust are Drury and Timbo at this time. Didn't you also think at one point it was Drury and I working together too? At least that was correct in a way because we are both town and working toward a town win.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Wow, I am apparently working with everyone. HG15 accuses me of working with you. Now you are accusing me of working with HG15. Really??? GS accused me of working with Rathji. Starseed accused me of working with squiggs. I am trying to work with the town, the only ones I can trust are Drury and Timbo at this time. Didn't you also think at one point it was Drury and I working together too? At least that was correct in a way because we are both town and working toward a town win.

Why didn't you take as much issue with Drury18 pointing the possibility out earlier?

Originally Posted by Drury18

I already laid that out. He votes for Diss, Diss flips scum and he becomes the hero. He falls off all our radars. One of you, me and Timbo gets killed overnight and that we go into Day 11 with some combo of me, you, Timbo and HG15. The town put votes on each other screaming scum, HG15 hammers whatever one of us he wants and wins.

He wasn't absolute about it, and neither am I, but he does see the possibility if I end up town. I am town, and me and Drury18 have come to a similar possibility.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Timbo

This statement is a complete 180 from your actions at the deadline.

I don't believe it's a 180, I've wondered about Diss since his back and forth with Rathji. Once Aeneas and Girly so obviously tried to get him lynched I kind of let it go because everyone assumed that there was no way Diss could be scum. Now that it's down to 5 people and I strongly believe you and Drury are town that leaves me with Oling and Diss as possible Mafia members. Diss visited GGG with his mysterious doctor ability the day before he dies, he then visits girly the night she dies. I weighed all that and made a judgement call, it wasn't one typo that made me jump on Diss as it was with Agulati.

[Hockeyguy15]

Also Timbo I disagree with you saying I was laying in the weeds. I was attending a funeral/wake for most of the afternoon and then I went out for drinks with a few people.

If you want to call me out for the unvote/vote that's fine, but if you are trying to say I was lying about my reason for being away for the day then I take issue with that.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Also Timbo I disagree with you saying I was laying in the weeds. I was attending a funeral/wake for most of the afternoon and then I went out for drinks with a few people.

If you want to call me out for the unvote/vote that's fine, but if you are trying to say I was lying about my reason for being away for the day then I take issue with that.

Where did I say anything about not believing where you were in the day?

Don't tell me you just showed up at 9:59. You had time to read and come to your conclusion that I might be waffling. Yet you posted nothing until 9:59
That is what I mean by lying in the weeds.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Drury18

See, I agree with this Timbo. Had HG15 said ANYTHING about unvoting for more time, I wouldn't have voted Oling. I would have let the deadline pass with the tie and wait for the sudden death extra time. And you know what my proof is that is? We are sitting here having this conversation and it's still Day 10! I had two options at 10pm: vote to tie and get more time to talk things out because most of us were gone for Friday or use the powers and stop the lynch and put us into Night 10 without any further information.

Which one did I do?

I had last minute doubts about Oling, I weighed everything that had been said and thought Diss was the better vote. I made a call to switch, like how you made a call to save Timbo.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Where did I say anything about not believing where you were in the day?

Don't tell me you just showed up at 9:59. You had time to read and come to your conclusion that I might be waffling. Yet you posted nothing until 9:59
That is what I mean by lying in the weeds.

If I read your post incorrectly I apologise, obviously death is a touchy subject.

I don't know what time I showed up exactly but it was very close to lynch time so scanned to see if Drury had voted and look at the last few posts and saw you post this.

Originally Posted by Timbo

Dear town forgive me if I am wrong. Mafia get stuffed!

I then made a judgement call to switch my vote.