CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[dissentowner]

So are we finally ready to look at the MOT yet?

[Oling_Roachinen]

I still think everything here still stands.

It's still a bit too big of coincidence that the vote on day 1 is looking like it could shift towards Baxter/Aeneas and Bizaro and Starseed is the one who steers it towards Bizaro.

Girlysports was just way too defensive of Starseed throughout the game despite throwing a couple soft accusations.

Originally Posted by GirlySports (on why she believes Starseed is town)

Due to the timing of his reveal. He wouldn't have felt the need to reveal when he did if he thought he had the mafia support since his back wasn't against the wall. He revealed early to give the town the most information while confusing the mafia. If he was mafia he would have kept us guessing on the twilight thread and thrown out more suspects. Also I think with his powers he will be a benefit to us in the future. The extra vote becomes more powerful the less players there are.

She wasn't subtle with working with Aeneas, I don't know why she would be subtle working with Starseed.

GGG trying to investigate Puxlut but gets East Coast Flame instead, Timbo trying to investigate Puxlut but doesn't get the message that Wood was killed by darkness and now Hockeyguy15 trying to investigate Puxlut with no luck (what did the PM say Hockeyguy15?).

2 days ago neither of them jumped on the Girlysports bandwagon when she was almost lynched before her fake reveal. Puxlut did vote Aeneas not really stating a reason, but it also lead into him being able to prove the Timbo stuff and it seemed to get him dropped pretty quickly.

What concerns me is that they, according to them, tried to kill me with the Eternals power on Night 7 but on Day 8 Starseed votes for Squiggs96 and Dissentowner before he votes for me. If he was willing to burn me up in the night, he should have been able to start the day with a reason I am scum and vote for me, instead they let other people make accusations and jump on what is looking like the easiest votes? Kinda seems to follow what the MOT/Twilight thread was doing and letting others do the mafia's dirty work.

Also when the kill was revealed by Rathji, Starseed's list that he was willing to die for also didn't have Aeneas or Girlysports on it.

Originally Posted by starseed

OK, kill someone on my list, if it fails, then Lynch me.

Originally Posted by starseed

It was:

Timbo
Oling
HG
Formulate
Dissent

And also, I'm not surprised they didn't take me up on my offer yesterday. While it sucks that Squiggs96 was caught in some lies, I think they knew that my reveal would have been bad for them. Also Puxlut dropping the hammer while Rathji is trying to figure things out and GGG makes a bit of a suggestion that me and Timbo could be working together?

My biggest concern with my theory though is that the mafia killed the powerless Wood while Dissentowner wasn't revealed. The three unrevealed powers were Girlysports, Aeneas and Diss. Obviously they knew what Girlysports and Aeneas did but with Timbo claiming to know who the cop was, unless they knew Diss was somehow not the cop, leaving him alive was pretty ballsy.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

No new people have accepted Eternal's invites and they are the ones seemingly handing out death. I looked back and every Eternal invite was death related. Guardians were giving out tracker and watcher and a more varied bag of powers.

My Guardians invite was a kill. Rathji received a kill from them as well but missed the deadline to accept and accepted the Eternal's kill after. For what's that's worth.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

What concerns me is that they, according to them, tried to kill me with the Eternals power on Night 7 but on Day 8

This was actually Night 7 and Day 8. I don't really blame them for thinking I was suspicious if they were town, but if they were willing to kill me they should have been willing to vote for me. Not follow the votes for Squiggs96 and Diss.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Night 6 and Day 7****

Dang no edits.

[Drury18]

If we do, my preference is STRONGLY Starseed over Puxlut.

I think Puxlut is trying to rope a dope us. She's trying to make herself the easy option. It just seems too easy. Here kill her, confirm it's town, everything is happy. I'm not buying it. I've been trying to look up anything on the mafia wiki about scum masons and perhaps some sort of death pact thing. If we kill one, we get both. I'm starting to think Pux is putting attention on herself to keep Starseed alive because it'll trigger something bigger. I don't have much concrete evidence on this, but it's that nagging gut feeling. Why would you push so passionately to have yourself killed and protect someone else? Why is Starseed worth protecting that much?

I also stand by my previous comments. If they are mafia, I want to disarm Starseed before Puxlut. Puxlut can scan the dead, big deal. Starseed made claims on a huge host of powers, those concern me. I've also had a scummy feeling about Starseed from the beginning. It was him, GGG, GirlySports and Baxter/Aeneas that I thought were scum. Obviously GGG was wrong and I'll fully admit that was my biggest mistake in this game pushing so hard after him (and the never dying thing really didn't help his cause), but Starseed hasn't really done much to change my mind either.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

My Guardians invite was a kill. Rathji received a kill from them as well but missed the deadline to accept and accepted the Eternal's kill after. For what's that's worth.

I will update my list. I was trying to keep a list of all invites and offered powers. I know I fell behind on it because I was focusing on the voting list.

My plan before the end of Day 9 is to post a full list of invites/powers offered and full voting lists. I want to get the information I'm keeping track of posted before the end of each day because it's becoming a closer numbers game and who knows if I make it to the next one.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ugg, we lose two again? Now where do we go?

Rathji Town didn't vote

Voted for Squiggs96:squiggs96 (6): Oling_Roachinen, Drury18, Hockeyguy15, GGG, starseed, Puxlut

GGG is Town so that leaves 5 one or two of which are scum!

Voted for Puxlut: Dissentowner, Timbo, Squiggs96

Squiggs96 is town so it is possible one of two are scum. Yes I know I am included in this.
Dissentowner: Said he doctored GGG, did he?
Timbo: I know who I am so I take myself out of the equation.

The MOT vote Oling_Roachinen

Oling: Tracker with a bad history of accusations
Drury18: My saviour and world class pirate I have to lean Town
HG15: Seemingly so agreeable and innocuous
starseed: MOT with a very odd way of dissing out the extra vote! It is all over the place. Have they given a vote to anybody but town yet?
Puxlut: Two times having night anomalies. Hammered last two times.
MOT connections like starseed. Squiggs96 last vote

My invite from the eternals said someone was lying about an invite. But that would mean they didn't accept or else they would be listed as a member on the first page.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Rathji Town didn't vote

Voted for Squiggs96:squiggs96 (6): Oling_Roachinen, Drury18, Hockeyguy15, GGG, starseed, Puxlut

GGG is Town so that leaves 5 one or two of which are scum!

Voted for Puxlut: Dissentowner, Timbo, Squiggs96

That logic only applies if Starseed and Puxlut are mafia in my opinion. If they aren't mafia, then everyone but Rathji voted for a townie yesterday.

[Hockeyguy15]

Oling my pm said I was unable to see who Puxlut targeted, it didn't give me anymore detail than that. So I really have no way of know if I was blocked, or the power didn't work.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

That logic only applies if Starseed and Puxlut are mafia in my opinion. If they aren't mafia, then everyone but Rathji voted for a townie yesterday.

Which makes us not very good.
Could a mafia have a save power? This is a long shot, but what if Drury was mafia and saved his buddy. And then everyone thinks Drury is town because he used a "good" power?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Oling my pm said I was unable to see who Puxlut targeted, it didn't give me anymore detail than that. So I really have no way of know if I was blocked, or the power didn't work.

Same I got for Formulate. Possibility of Puxlut being the Godfather has skyrocketed now that multiple investigations have failed on her (HG15 and Timbo). And it now makes sense why East Coast Flame and Puxlut were swapped with the bus driver. The mafia was expecting/hoping the cop would investigate East Coast Flame, it would be redirected to Puxlut and the cop would get Puxlut is a townie. If the Serial Killer attacked East Coast Flame it wouldn't matter since Godfather is bulletproof. They just didn't realize they were the same person.

And now we have a couple other connections to go on. Timbo and Hockeyguy15 for both investigations failing, me and Hockeyguy15 for the same stories on Formulate and Puxlut, me and Timbo for some reason and Timbo and Drury18 for the save. Even if I know a couple aren't true (with me) I don't see dissentowner having a connection with anyone which makes me a lot more comfortable with the vote as even if we are wrong it's 3-2 before powers and extra votes kicking in.

[Drury18]

In the Aeneas vote, it was Starseed, HG15 and Timbo who never voted for him.

Starseed also only voted for GirlySports once before, early on Day 2. The rest of his votes that day were: GirlySports, East Coast Flame, hmmhmmcamo, Aeneas, Delgar, hmmhmmcamo. His votes on Day 7 were: Squiggs96, Dissentower, Oling_Roachinen

HG15 only voted GirlySports early on Day 7 and changed his to Dissentower and Squiggs after GirlySports made the Princess claim.

Timbo was also a early voter on GirlySports on Day 2 and changed to hmmhmmcamo. On Day 7 his voting was: GirlySports (changed after the Princess claim), Dissentower, Oling_Roachinen, Squiggs96

Disclaimer: Not fully sure what to do with this info. Once we had 2 confirmed scum, I started going through looking on voting patterns with them. This is what I got. I highly doubt all the remaining scum would be this obvious, but thought it was something to put up in case turns on a lightbulb for someone else.

[Timbo]

Right now I am still sticking with Puxlut as my prime suspect.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

In the Aeneas vote, it was Starseed, HG15 and Timbo who never voted for him.

Starseed also only voted for GirlySports once before, early on Day 2. The rest of his votes that day were: GirlySports, East Coast Flame, hmmhmmcamo, Aeneas, Delgar, hmmhmmcamo. His votes on Day 7 were: Squiggs96, Dissentower, Oling_Roachinen

At the same time it's important to realize when the votes were cast. The votes at the time of the Girlysports vote were something like 7-2 in favour of GP_Matt, so there was no real risk there.

The Aeneas vote was a "joke" vote, again no risk.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Drury18

In the Aeneas vote, it was Starseed, HG15 and Timbo who never voted for him.

Starseed also only voted for GirlySports once before, early on Day 2. The rest of his votes that day were: GirlySports, East Coast Flame, hmmhmmcamo, Aeneas, Delgar, hmmhmmcamo. His votes on Day 7 were: Squiggs96, Dissentower, Oling_Roachinen

HG15 only voted GirlySports early on Day 7 and changed his to Dissentower and Squiggs after GirlySports made the Princess claim.

Timbo was also a early voter on GirlySports on Day 2 and changed to hmmhmmcamo. On Day 7 his voting was: GirlySports (changed after the Princess claim), Dissentower, Oling_Roachinen, Squiggs96

Disclaimer: Not fully sure what to do with this info. Once we had 2 confirmed scum, I started going through looking on voting patterns with them. This is what I got. I highly doubt all the remaining scum would be this obvious, but thought it was something to put up in case turns on a lightbulb for someone else.

Not sure if it matters at all but I was off for drinks/dinner and the Flames game when Girly was killed and Aeneas was lynched. My vote would have come off squiggs after he killed Girly.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

This is a long shot, but what if Drury was mafia and saved his buddy. And then everyone thinks Drury is town because he used a "good" power?

Why would I peg two of my buddies on my first list posting of who was scum and town, call out one in a long public battle over an invite and then decide to save the third one publicly all in the span of the first 3 or 4 days? I don't think that would be too bright when you have a power that will garner you some attention, more then likely negative because you will stop a lynch. I might be new at this, but I'm not that stupid.

Could a mafia have a save power?

To answer your question, my actual role could be aligned with either side. Much like the masons. This is what I am: http://mafiawiki.notesmash.org/wiki/Governor I cannot move the lyching to another player, I cannot stop one on myself. I had to stop the lynch with a post, I did not get any private conversations with Mazrim about stopping a lynch. It's a crap negative utility role because I have to go on a gut feeling. I can't investigate, I can't track, I can't watch. I basically had to look at the situation, look at my notes and decide if I want to use the power or not.

If we had a scum governor, I don't think they would have had the public post like I did. It would have been harder for them to hide. Scum seems to work under the secrecy of night or messages. Everything about my power was public use. I knew when I used it, I'd be explaining myself. I can't exactly point a finger and say someone else did it.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Same I got for Formulate. Possibility of Puxlut being the Godfather has skyrocketed now that multiple investigations have failed on her (HG15 and Timbo). And it now makes sense why East Coast Flame and Puxlut were swapped with the bus driver. The mafia was expecting/hoping the cop would investigate East Coast Flame, it would be redirected to Puxlut and the cop would get Puxlut is a townie. If the Serial Killer attacked East Coast Flame it wouldn't matter since Godfather is bulletproof. They just didn't realize they were the same person.

And now we have a couple other connections to go on. Timbo and Hockeyguy15 for both investigations failing, me and Hockeyguy15 for the same stories on Formulate and Puxlut, me and Timbo for some reason and Timbo and Drury18 for the save. Even if I know a couple aren't true (with me) I don't see dissentowner having a connection with anyone which makes me a lot more comfortable with the vote as even if we are wrong it's 3-2 before powers and extra votes kicking in.

There is also the possibility that I was specifically blocked and it's just a coincidence that I was investigating Puxlut. Squiggs was an empowerer so it's very possible that the mafia has a block power.

If Puxlut can't be investigated why would the mafia swap her and ECF?

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Not sure if it matters at all but I was off for drinks/dinner and the Flames game when Girly was killed and Aeneas was lynched. My vote would have come off squiggs after he killed Girly.

I also don't think you are scum.

It was more the fact that I wanted all the names with the connection up so that it wasn't picking and choosing what was being posted based on what my thoughts were. If someone else thinks differently, perhaps it's info to them.