[Rumour] McKenzie: dealbreaker for Flames is that Sens want Valimaki in Stone package

[Spinach]

As much as I like Kylington, he's movable if the Flames can get another LHD. Valimaki replaces Kylington, then a Patrick Nemeth or someone would be insurance in case another LD gets hurt.

Losing this year's first is a real problem for me unless the Flames can somehow get a high 2nd.

Maybe something like
CGY 2020 1st
CGY 2019 1st (conditional upon them reaching round 3 this year)
Kylington
Frolik
Dillon Dubé

for
Mark Stone (with a guarantee of re-signing)
OTT 2nd (conditional upon the Flames giving up the 2019 1st)

Then,
D. Koumontis/M. Mattson/Z. Fischer (ie. a 3rd-tier F prospect)
CGY 2019 4th

for Patrick Nemeth/another big, physical LHD

[AC]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It’s more than two years away! It’s not as though this is the Flames only opportunity to shuffle their defence. For all we know the value of all three of these players is considerably higher at this time next year, or the year after that.

There is NO urgency here.


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Sure, but moving a surplus D for an elite piece we add to our core is ideal. Mark Stone checks a lot of boxes for what this team could need to become elite for years.

It'd be tough to move Kylington because I think he could be a stud. But we do have a surplus on D.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yeah, screw him for looking out for his own organization instead of doing us favours, amirite?

He certainly didn’t have a problem with that when he was dealing with Sam Jose, did he?

[oldschoolcalgary]

meh... i'd walk away to be honest.

one of kylington or dube is a tough pill to swallow i certainly would't give up both in the hopes of resigning Stone.

1st, 1st (conditional), Dube or Kylington + Frolik (for the salary to work)

is the most i would consider... otherwise, i'd be more than happy to look at someone else or just stick with the roster that got you to 2nd overall.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Love

Kylington never gets the respect he deserves

He's being viewed as good enough to be a major piece in acquiring the top trade deadline target in the league. I'd say that's respect.

It's no disrespect to say he's the third best of our three top defensive prospects.

[FlamesNation23]

Something to consider is also the expansion draft. We are probably going to lose one of kylington, andersson or vallimaki there so tre might be trying to get value now. I still think the price is too high though

[Cole436]

A few months of Mark Stone is not worth losing a top 4 D still on his ELC.

Hard pass from the Flames.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by FlamesNation23

Something to consider is also the expansion draft. We are probably going to lose one of kylington, andersson or vallimaki there so tre might be trying to get value now. I still think the price is too high though

Welcome to the party.

[Trailer Fire]

2019 1st, Cond 2020 1st (Cgy makes WCF/SCF), 2020 2nd (Stone re-signs w/Cgy), Dube, Frolik

Stone, 2019 2nd

Keep in mind there is a reason I don't make trade proposals, because I have pretty much no idea how to balance them.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by FlamesNation23

Something to consider is also the expansion draft. We are probably going to lose one of kylington, andersson or vallimaki there so tre might be trying to get value now. I still think the price is too high though

It's not for a long time. Way too early to start making moves based on that.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

He certainly didn’t have a problem with that when he was dealing with Sam Jose, did he?

Like Transplant said to the last person who made that dumb comparison: completely different circumstances.

Also, why on earth would anyone think that since a GM made a poor deal in a different trade that he is obligated to make another one here?

That's just a ridiculously entitled position to take.

[CaptainYooh]

People that suggest Frolik in any trade with Ottawa are not thinking straight. It is a very reasonable assumption that Ottawa is on his NTC list. Why would Frolik (or any player!) waive his NTC to be traded from a playoff contender to a current dump??? Frolik is not going anywhere this season.

[GranteedEV]

Not interested in selling low on Oliver Kylington. Think with an expanded role he can really explode. We haven't even played the kid a minute on the power play this season, you think his value's at it's highest possible?

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

He's being viewed as good enough to be a major piece in acquiring the top trade deadline target in the league. I'd say that's respect.

It's no disrespect to say he's the third best of our three top defensive prospects.

It is, when he is already outscoring the other two and is "behind them" only because the organization decides that to be so based pretty much entirely on size bias.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by AC

Sure, but moving a surplus D for an elite piece we add to our core is ideal. Mark Stone checks a lot of boxes for what this team could need to become elite for years.

It'd be tough to move Kylington because I think he could be a stud. But we do have a surplus on D.

Yes, I completely agree with this. I merely take issue with this recurring thought that one of them MUST be traded now because of an expansion draft that is still more than 27-months away.


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[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

The Flames will really miss any of Andersson/Kylington/Valimaki. They've been transitioning so well and it's been the key to their wave-after-wave offense lately. Replacing any of them with a Prout or Stone just means 12+ minutes a game of sitting back because they can't move the puck as well.


And then people want to throw away Brodie in the summer as well. The Flames will have all the talented forwards in the world but nobody to get them the puck.


Keep the D.

The whole point of that is to get all 3 into the lineup as regulars next season.

Gio-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Kylington

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Seems some posturing from both sides in their leveraging the media.

Sens: Making a last ditch effort to re-sign Stone, not happy with the offers so far.

Flames: Sens price is ridiculously high, our Top D prospects are off the table.

Time will tell, but hard to say the Sens have much leverage given the risk of losing for nothing.

Can't imagine any of Nsh/Wpg/Calgary paying that price for pure rental.

The chances of that happening are zero.

There's what...at least 6 teams linked and probably 16 who have inquired?

They will just take the best offer they have as of 12:55 tomorrow afternoon before they lose him for nothing.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Cole436

A few months of Mark Stone is not worth losing a top 4 D still on his ELC.

Hard pass from the Flames.

Its widely reported we are only interested in Stone if we can sign him. It won't be a couple months, we'd be adding him to our long term core if the trade happens.

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't even know how we fit Stone under the cap if he wants 8 or more million a year. We have Bennett, MT, Rittich as our major upcoming contracts.


If Bennett gets around 3, MT around 7 Rittich with what 2 and Stone with lets say 8, that's ading 20 million to our payroll, we have 13 to 15 million free for next year.


Getting Stone economically doesn't work for me.



If the Sens can't resign stone and he wants a high contract value, the Sens better be prepared to take back Neal and Frolik in any deal and reduce their ask.

[memphusk]

If they have plans to trade one of the young defence I would look at a team needing defence and see what they have for good players under control.

[slcrocket]

Guys the expansion draft tho