Thank god, I can now go to Regina and fulfill my life long dream of working out a Curves. Because clearly it is a direct attack on men everywhere that someone wants to provide a service catering to women specifically.
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So.. Can I apply for a membership at Only Womans Fitness now?
I guess you missed the humour in me answering stupid with stupid.
It isn't even possible for this to exist as problem in the other direction.
Which is what these equal rights advocates need to realize. If they aren't asking for equal treatment than it's not about equality, it's about them finding a soapbox to stand up and cry on, because they are unhappy. If they think we should address the issues they are unhappy about then we should talk about the issue universally not the tiny corner of the issue that makes them unhappy.
Womens only shops, services, clubs = OK
Mens only = sexist
What am I missing here?
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That argument will stand when some man gets denied a cut at a women's only hair salon. You're arguing in the wrong frame, it's not that you can't have a business that caters to only one sex, it's that you can't have such a business that discriminates arbitrarily.
Reasonable exceptions can be made, it's unreasonable ones that are in violation of the law. So feel free to try and get a membership at Curves and then take them to court, if you really do believe your rights are being violated by unreasonable discrimination. Or just continue bemoaning your "oppression", if that works better as a convenient target for your disaffection with life.
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That argument will stand when some man gets denied a cut at a women's only hair salon. You're arguing in the wrong frame, it's not that you can't have a business that caters to only one sex, it's that you can't have such a business that discriminates arbitrarily.
Reasonable exceptions can be made, it's unreasonable ones that are in violation of the law. So feel free to try and get a membership at Curves and then take them to court, if you really do believe your rights are being violated by unreasonable discrimination. Or just continue bemoaning your "oppression", if that works better as a convenient target for your disaffection with life.
The lady who started all this could have reasonably gone to another hair salon... That obviously wasn't her point.
The lady who started all this could have reasonably gone to another hair salon... That obviously wasn't her point.
Actually that was her point. She was looking for a specific hairstyle and this particular establishment was the one she found that offered. Most salons don't do this particular style because it requires a straight razor.
Furthermore, there are perfectly legitimate reasons to deny men memberships at women's only gyms. There aren't really any legitimate reasons to refuse to cut a woman's hair.
Furthermore, there are perfectly legitimate reasons to deny men memberships at women's only gyms. There aren't really any legitimate reasons to refuse to cut a woman's hair.
Not trying to be a smart a$$ but what legitimate reason is there to deny all men access to a gym? I can see women like to work out without men checking them out but that is not all men so I can't see that as the reason. Do they have equipment that is only made for women?
Not trying to be a smart a$$ but what legitimate reason is there to deny all men access to a gym? I can see women like to work out without men checking them out but that is not all men so I can't see that as the reason. Do they have equipment that is only made for women?
Oh good, #NotAllMen showed up (jokes). You can reasonably say you're reducing a woman's chances of being assaulted or harassed at the gym if you remove men from the equation. Anyways, all of this has been rehashed in prior pages of this thread so this is about as much time as I'm going to devote to it today.
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Oh good, #NotAllMen showed up (jokes). You can reasonably say you're reducing a woman's chances of being assaulted or harassed at the gym if you remove men from the equation. Anyways, all of this has been rehashed in prior pages of this thread so this is about as much time as I'm going to devote to it today.
This position is just ridiculous and insulting. I really don't care about this whole argument and think it's dumb, but then I read your post about removing men and somehow protecting women from being assaulted or harassed.
I am a pretty normal guy and I know a lot of other guys like me. The idea that women need to be protected from the vast majority of men is ridiculous. We aren't all a bunch of over-sexed assaulting and raping machines. I have no idea what they're being protected from? How prevalent can it possibly be that men are just randomly assaulting women in the gym? It has to be an extremely small minority or maybe it happened at some point to someone, somewhere. But the idea that women are somehow not safe around men in general is just insulting to the overwhelming majority of men who are harmless.
I couldn't possibly care less if women have their own gyms by the way. Do whatever you want. But when you're trying to justify their existence leave out the garbage about how women have to be protected from men because none of us can possibly control ourselves.
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What does what *she* could have done have to do with whether or not it was reasonable of the barbershop to refuse service? Oh yes - nothing.
Even beyond that, he's forcibly missing the point.
This barber shop (and many others) pride themselves on doing certain kinds of highly technical, more difficult men's haircuts.
The customer in question walked in and requested one of those specialized, highly technical, men's haircuts.
She did not walk into this men's barber shop and ask for highlights and a Jennifer Aniston lob. She walked in and asked for an exact haircut that the barber shop specializes in.
If a man walked into a "woman's salon" (which as far as I know doesn't actually exist) and asked for a layered haircut and highlights--he wouldn't be turned away.
She asked for a service that the barber shop performs. They turned her away solely based on what parts she had in her pants.
This position is just ridiculous and insulting. I really don't care about this whole argument and think it's dumb, but then I read your post about removing men and somehow protecting women from being assaulted or harassed.
I am a pretty normal guy and I know a lot of other guys like me. The idea that women need to be protected from the vast majority of men is ridiculous. We aren't all a bunch of over-sexed assaulting and raping machines. I have no idea what they're being protected from? How prevalent can it possibly be that men are just randomly assaulting women in the gym? It has to be an extremely small minority or maybe it happened at some point to someone, somewhere. But the idea that women are somehow not safe around men in general is just insulting to the overwhelming majority of men who are harmless.
I couldn't possibly care less if women have their own gyms by the way. Do whatever you want. But when you're trying to justify their existence leave out the garbage about how women have to be protected from men because none of us can possibly control ourselves.
If a man really has a strong urge and desire to assault or harass a woman, a woman's only gym is likely a pretty good place to target. A perpetrator has easy access to his victim demographic just by hanging out and waiting in the dark parking lot outside the club.
Not trying to be a smart a$$ but what legitimate reason is there to deny all men access to a gym? I can see women like to work out without men checking them out but that is not all men so I can't see that as the reason. Do they have equipment that is only made for women?
Just the atmosphere, with men there's the whole testosterone let's do this intensity. At a women's gym there's no pressure from the opposite sex to look good, to work out a certain way or do anything. It's the whole thing, don't you ever have a boys night out? Same thing with women, it's not about excluding men it's just about women having their own thing where they can be relaxed and focus on their own goals. Or so I would guess based on my sisters reasoning for going to the gym, she says it's like girls night out where they can talk about whatever they want and just forget about everything else.
Oh good, #NotAllMen showed up (jokes). You can reasonably say you're reducing a woman's chances of being assaulted or harassed at the gym if you remove men from the equation. Anyways, all of this has been rehashed in prior pages of this thread so this is about as much time as I'm going to devote to it today.
I don't think any of us are actually arguing that we think there shouldn't be womens only gyms.
I think we are highlighting a strong double standard within society.
Further to Slavas point, painting all men with the same brush is moving away from the topic and driving a wedge further into this issue, which is weather or not clubs that exclusive to one sex are acceptable.
As for the other issue, at no point in time in human existence are you going to create a society where men don't look at women in a sexual way. It is a pretty essential part of our survival, so it's not an issue segregation can fix.
Actually that was her point. She was looking for a specific hairstyle and this particular establishment was the one she found that offered. Most salons don't do this particular style because it requires a straight razor...
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This position is just ridiculous and insulting. I really don't care about this whole argument and think it's dumb, but then I read your post about removing men and somehow protecting women from being assaulted or harassed.
I am a pretty normal guy and I know a lot of other guys like me. The idea that women need to be protected from the vast majority of men is ridiculous. We aren't all a bunch of over-sexed assaulting and raping machines. I have no idea what they're being protected from? How prevalent can it possibly be that men are just randomly assaulting women in the gym? It has to be an extremely small minority or maybe it happened at some point to someone, somewhere. But the idea that women are somehow not safe around men in general is just insulting to the overwhelming majority of men who are harmless.
I couldn't possibly care less if women have their own gyms by the way. Do whatever you want. But when you're trying to justify their existence leave out the garbage about how women have to be protected from men because none of us can possibly control ourselves.
Leave it to dudes to take an issue that primarily affects women and somehow make it about themselves.
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Leave it to dudes to take an issue that primarily affects women and somehow make it about themselves.
I seriously couldn't care less about whether want their own gyms or hair salons or whatever. Good. Have fun, I hope that you enjoy them! It doesn't bother me in the least. I just don't need to hear about how every person of my gender can't possibly control themselves when we see a pretty girl or how they need this in order to protect themselves.
Its like when my friends and I want to play poker and drink beer. I'm sure women enjoy playing cards and drinking beer, and that's great, but we'd rather not have the wives there. It's not that there is anything to be protected from, we just plain prefer that. There's nothing wrong with that, its not sexist or misogynistic about it, just plain old personal preference. Why can't the excuse for womens only fitness clubs just be that? Why do they have to deride males as though we're all a bunch of criminals and rapists? That's the part that is both insulting and offensive.
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