Flames assign Sven Baertschi to the Heat

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I can attest to the post in that we are sick of people giving up on Sven calling him a bust and we should trade him.

Some of these same people have complained about rebuilding the right way and/or giving up too early on players in the past...

I back up the post!

WE SHOULDNT TRADE SVEN, give him at least another season after this one...

I know it wasn't the intended point of your post but saying we as fans need to have patience then say we should give Sven one more year doesn't really make sense... kind of contradicts what your trying to get across.

I like Sven... he seems like a good kid, highly skilled. He's just going through the normal process of a kid whom the game came easy to him in junior, and the pro game really isn't that easy for him. He's learning to play pro hockey. It might click next season, maybe the season after... might even happen later this season.

Backlund is just now starting to come into his own. Sven might get it together next season, he might not. Some players develop faster and better then others... Not everyone steps into the NHL at 20 years old and dominates. I fully expect Sven to really be the player we all hope he'll be by the time he's 23, 24, maybe 25... I hope for sooner, but wouldn't be mad if it took some time.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

These two posts represent Calgarypuck to a friggin Tee lol.

We are awesome.

Baertschi sounds angry. Perhaps upset with management? Hmmmmmm

[codynw]

Originally Posted by nik-

And now can we quit with the bad attitude crap that some people just need to push?

I'm not saying I think he has a bad attitude, but if he does, it's not like it's impossible to hide it during an interview.

[Phaneufenstein]

Sounds like he was trying too hard not to get sent down instead of just going out there and having fun. That usually doesn't work out too well...

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Disagree completely, and disrespect you for your condescending attitude. If you don't like what I said how about going about it like a normal person. So what if I'm wrong, don't be a dick.

Don't make an outrageous suggestion, and you won't get an outrageous reply.

[Young-Sneezy]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Disagree completely, and disrespect you for your condescending attitude. If you don't like what I said how about going about it like a normal person. So what if I'm wrong, don't be a dick.

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Don't make an outrageous suggestion, and you won't get an outrageous reply.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

WE SHOULDNT TRADE SVEN, give him at least another season after this one...

I disagree. There's a difference between giving up on a guy and trading him for a bag of pucks and trading him to get a player the organization wants/needs. I'm not saying the Flames should trade him but if Burke gets an offer where the return is high value and will help the Flames going forward I think you trade him.

That said unless the return is very good I would prefer the organization sticks with him and gives him a chance to succeed.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by nik-

And now can we quit with the bad attitude crap that some people just need to push?

He does seem to be understanding it more now and is starting to embrace his time in the AHL and that he can use it as a learning experience to be a better NHLer.

He himself mentioned that he needed to continue to work to get stronger mentally at least 3 times in that interview and I think the perceived mental weakness is what a lot of people mention him needing to work on.

Personally when I reference his bad attitude it is usually in relation to the claim's that Sven did not feel he should have had to attend prospect camp in the summer and what I felt was an attitude that made it seem like he thought he was above some of the other prospects when interviewed.

The time in the AHL and the glowing comments about his teammates in Abbotsford (alot of the same players from prospect camp) shows to me that he is improving in that area though and may have learned from a previous error.

Will add that it did seem like he had a little bit of an edge against the management team for his treatment while in Calgary but if he can channel that the right way and use that as motivation there is nothing wrong with it. Nobody should be happy about being sent to the farm team.

[albertGQ]

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[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by TjRhythmic

I know it wasn't the intended point of your post but saying we as fans need to have patience then say we should give Sven one more year doesn't really make sense... kind of contradicts what your trying to get across.

I like Sven... he seems like a good kid, highly skilled. He's just going through the normal process of a kid whom the game came easy to him in junior, and the pro game really isn't that easy for him. He's learning to play pro hockey. It might click next season, maybe the season after... might even happen later this season.

Backlund is just now starting to come into his own. Sven might get it together next season, he might not. Some players develop faster and better then others... Not everyone steps into the NHL at 20 years old and dominates. I fully expect Sven to really be the player we all hope he'll be by the time he's 23, 24, maybe 25... I hope for sooner, but wouldn't be mad if it took some time.

Haha I hear what u mean but I was mearly articulating that we should give the kid at least until the end of his ELC until we even think about moving him..

Sven is more-or-less my favorite prospect so trust me I don't want to trade him, even if he struggles, after next season.

Just trying to stress to all the people in 'trade Sven' mode that hes still on his first pro contract and struggling when you are young is normal.

But I understand my wording seemed to contradict my point, if interpreted in a certain way..

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I disagree. There's a difference between giving up on a guy and trading him for a bag of pucks and trading him to get a player the organization wants/needs. I'm not saying the Flames should trade him but if Burke gets an offer where the return is high value and will help the Flames going forward I think you trade him.

That said unless the return is very good I would prefer the organization sticks with him and gives him a chance to succeed.

No offense but I just wish this kind of thing was intuitive on this board. When I asked CP the other day who was untouchable I got alot of responses like this one (No one is untouchable cause we could trade Monahan for blah blah blah aka a ridiculous package that would never happen etc).

I get it anyone can be traded if the value is there. But usually if they are struggling the value isnt there.

And Sven falls into the Flames needs. How many high end prospects do we have? Its better now but dont kid yourself Sven developing into a 1/2 line winger is important for us moving forward. Sven, Gaudreau and Poirier are the only high end wingers we have so I wouldnt say Svens skill level isnt an organizational need. Yes if hes traded for Larsson out of NJ we get a highend right-handed dman, what we need, but my point is keep him, its time we develop our own top-end guys.

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by saillias

Baertschi sounds angry. Perhaps upset with management? Hmmmmmm

I think he's more upset with himself. He went out and set a goal, it didn't work out the way he expected it, and he's upset. No one to blame but himself.

[TheGrimm]

Baertschi's comments about how great it is getting PP time and lots of minutes etc aren't looking so good when compared against his 2g, 2a and -5 in the past 13 games played since being sent down.

Something isn't jiving here.

[$ven27]

He did say it took him 4 or 5 games to adjust to the AHL speed.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

Baertschi's comments about how great it is getting PP time and lots of minutes etc aren't looking so good when compared against his 2g, 2a and -5 in the past 13 games played since being sent down.

Something isn't jiving here.

The whole team slumped.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah wouldn't too much at the stats alone, especially with the small sample size and with him admitting it has taken him some time to adjust.

Will let Drury18 and PMM comment on his play as they watch most of the games.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah wouldn't too much at the stats alone, especially with the small sample size and with him admitting it has taken him some time to adjust.

Will let Drury18 and PMM comment on his play as they watch most of the games.

In a nutshell he tries so damn hard to try and create something, anything. He's trying to dangle through legs, makes passes that won't work 99% of the time. He takes decent shots though.

The thing is, that flashiness will rarely work in the AHL and he just looks so frustrated out there.

Furthermore, he ducks sooo many hits. Even if it risks losing the puck, he'll dodge a hit and lose the puck. It happens far too often and I'm just not sure how he can get over that mental hurdle. That's why they're professionals though. You can't say Ward hasn't given him a shot. He's playing on a line with Reinhart and Granlund. I mean, if you can't create something/break out of a slump playing with Reinhart (who has 12 points in his last 10 games) and Granlund (who leads the Heat in goals), then something's wrong.

I wouldn't give up on the kid because he's got a special skill set. It's just something that'll take time. I hope.

[OffsideSpecialist]

I'm surprised so many people want to treat Sven like a golden boy who can do no wrong, much like we see up north. He wasn't playing well this year, I think going to Abby was the best thing for him.

That being said, I hope he can improve and stay up with the Flames next year. I still think that he has immense potential.

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[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

In a nutshell he tries so damn hard to try and create something, anything. He's trying to dangle through legs, makes passes that won't work 99% of the time. He takes decent shots though.

The thing is, that flashiness will rarely work in the AHL and he just looks so frustrated out there.

Furthermore, he ducks sooo many hits. Even if it risks losing the puck, he'll dodge a hit and lose the puck. It happens far too often and I'm just not sure how he can get over that mental hurdle. That's why they're professionals though. You can't say Ward hasn't given him a shot. He's playing on a line with Reinhart and Granlund. I mean, if you can't create something/break out of a slump playing with Reinhart (who has 12 points in his last 10 games) and Granlund (who leads the Heat in goals), then something's wrong.

I wouldn't give up on the kid because he's got a special skill set. It's just something that'll take time. I hope.

Yeah, sounds like he is simultaneously desperate to get back to the NHL and worried about getting hurt (which might adversely affect his ability to do the former).

I feel like we should leave him in the AHL for the rest of the season, have the coaches work hard with him down there and give him a concrete plan for his offseason workouts and see how he's doing in the fall.

I don't think the Flames should trade him. He is a talented player and has a lot of great assets. My reasoning here is not that he is untouchable, because he isn't and shouldn't be... it's that what you would get for him in trade right now is not remotely what he could be worth to the organization down the road when he gets more confidence and maturity to his game.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by $ven27

He did say it took him 4 or 5 games to adjust to the AHL speed.

Is it faster there than the NHL?