Breaking Bad Season 4

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Ark2

The gun pointing at the plant is intriguing, but there just doesn't seem to be much more there. Walt saw Brock for a split second the night before. How does he know who he is? How would he know where to find him? How would he be able to make the poison, find Brock, poison him without being detected by anyone else and also arrange for someone to steal Jesse's ricin cigarette? All within what, a couple of hours? Heck, if Walt could do all that, then I can't imagine that killing Gus would be much of a challenge.

I'll admit, if the writers can tie Walt into poisoning Brock, it would be cool, but there has to be more sense to it than that.

Walt doesn't know where Brock lives, but Saul does...

Could easily arrange that all in one stop.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Walt doesn't know where Brock lives, but Saul does...

Could easily arrange that all in one stop.

That's a good point actually. We'll just have to wait and see what happens I guess.

[nwflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Ark2

The gun pointing at the plant is intriguing, but there just doesn't seem to be much more there. Walt saw Brock for a split second the night before. How does he know who he is? How would he know where to find him? How would he be able to make the poison, find Brock, poison him without being detected by anyone else and also arrange for someone to steal Jesse's ricin cigarette? All within what, a couple of hours? Heck, if Walt could do all that, then I can't imagine that killing Gus would be much of a challenge.

I'll admit, if the writers can tie Walt into poisoning Brock, it would be cool, but there has to be more sense to it than that.

Saul knew where Andrea and Brock lived as shown in a earlier episode in the season. Huell could have swapped Jesse's Cigarette pack during the pat down. This could be why Saul left 5 messages on Jesse's phone while he was at work to make sure Jesse showed up at the office.Walt had all day to make the poison as it showed Jesse finishing a day's cook in the lab in the scene where they were waiting for the DEA to leave. This indicates to me Walt had more then a couple of hours. Brock could have already been poisoned before Jesse even showed up at Saul's office so all they needed to do was swap the Ricin Pack with another one.

It all pretty seems far fetched so I guess we'll have to wait and see how it all pans out on Sunday.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by nwflamesfan

Saul knew where Andrea and Brock lived as shown in a earlier episode in the season. Huell could have swapped Jesse's Cigarette pack during the pat down. This could be why Saul left 5 messages on Jesse's phone while he was at work to make sure Jesse showed up at the office.Walt had all day to make the poison as it showed Jesse finishing a day's cook in the lab in the scene where they were waiting for the DEA to leave. This indicates to me Walt had more then a couple of hours. Brock could have already been poisoned before Jesse even showed up at Saul's office so all they needed to do was swap the Ricin Pack with another one.

It all pretty seems far fetched so I guess we'll have to wait and see how it all pans out on Sunday.

Well, you've definitely got me wondering now. I'm not sold on it yet, but I think you might be onto something here.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Hahaha, reading this thread and then re-watching this episode has my mind going crazy. I don't know what to think or believe.

I'm coming around to Walt poisoning Brock as well.

Even in the "Previously on" part of the episode at the very beginning, they make a point of showing Walt in the doorway looking at Brock. Why would they put that in there? Or am I just reading too much into it? Those little episode recaps are short enough as it is and I cant imagine putting that little shot wasn't calculated on Gilligan's part.

Another thing I don't understand is why did Gus park where he did? And why did they show us that scene? It was a pretty innocent scene, they could have easily just shown Gus and Tyrus in the hospital, but no, they show them parking. And parking on the fifth floor with no other cars around in clear sight of where Walt was. Did he know Walt was going to be there? Or once again, am I over thinking this? I don't know.

Is it Sunday yet?

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Hahaha, reading this thread and then re-watching this episode has my mind going crazy. I don't know what to think or believe.

I'm coming around to Walt poisoning Brock as well.

Even in the "Previously on" part of the episode at the very beginning, they make a point of showing Walt in the doorway looking at Brock. Why would they put that in there? Or am I just reading too much into it? Those little episode recaps are short enough as it is and I cant imagine putting that little shot wasn't calculated on Gilligan's part.

Another thing I don't understand is why did Gus park where he did? And why did they show us that scene? It was a pretty innocent scene, they could have easily just shown Gus and Tyrus in the hospital, but no, they show them parking. And parking on the fifth floor with no other cars around in clear sight of where Walt was. Did he know Walt was going to be there? Or once again, am I over thinking this? I don't know.

Is it Sunday yet?

Want something else to think about?

http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/vi...e-413-face-off

What phone number is Walt asking for???

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Want something else to think about?

http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/vi...e-413-face-off

What phone number is Walt asking for???

143 hours, 37 minutes and counting.......

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by nwflamesfan

After Re watching the episode as much as I don't want to believe Walt was behind Brock getting sick he was. The only thing though that is it was not Ricin that he was poisoned with it was Hyancith.

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Interesting idea.

Personally, when the gun pointed at the planter and Walt paused, I figured that Walt was thinking of fertilizer - ie. making a bomb (which he did end up doing)... but your idea makes sense too.

[Wormius]

Why is Walt a suspect for poisoning Brock? After seeing Gus's reaction in the hospital to basically give him time off when Jesse tells him that he believes Brock was poisoned was kind of obvious, wasn't it? He wanted to give Jesse the chance to exact revenge, instead of being stuck in lab finishing the batch of meth.

I wouldn't be surprised if Tyrus stole the riding from his coat, he has every opportunity to.

Saul's interesting.. I wonder where his allegiance lies. He seems more afraid of Gus than of anyone else, but he hasn't really been used by him to get at Walt et al.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Interesting idea.

Personally, when the gun pointed at the planter and Walt paused, I figured that Walt was thinking of fertilizer - ie. making a bomb (which he did end up doing)... but your idea makes sense too.

Wasn't Brock treated for the ricin poisoning at the hospital? And why would that vial be missing from his cigarette pack? I am not sure if it was important what he was poisoned with? Is there reason to think Gus and Walt possibly both poisoned the kid?

[BlackEleven]

About Gus walking away from the car, I don't think Gus saw Walt. I figured it was because Gus was thinking of his conversation with Jesse and realized that his plan to turn Jesse against Walt had failed, meaning Jesse had realized it was actually him that had poisoned the kid. If that's the case then Jesse may be planning revenge against Gus and he may be walking into a trap.

I also thought about the scenario that Walt had actually poisoned the kid to try and trick Jesse into thinking that Gus did it to bring him back to his side. If that's the case, Gus may have also come to that same conclusion when he heard the boy had been poisoned after thinking about who would poison the boy and why when walking back to his car.

Personally, I think Walt poisoned the kid and the second scenario is the correct one. I think we saw him snap last episode when he was laughing manically in the crawl space. I think that was the point of no return when Walt dies and Heisenburg takes over. Throughout the series we've seen Walt's ego, arrogance and ruthlessness slowly taking over his humility, morality and compassion. Every time he's had his back against the wall, he's taken increasingly ruthless actions. His back was really against the wall this time, and I think it may have had permanent repercussions.

I think the rest of the series will be Walt's slow decent into madness and his eventual capture by Hank. I've always hoped Hank would catch him in the end; it seems like such a natural ending for the show. Hank eventually putting the pieces together would be one of those big, dramatic, heart-stopping moments the show is so good at, and always hinting at that danger without ever realizing would seem, to me, to be a cop out.

[Otto-matic]

Didn't Gus say he'll take care of Walt accordingly last episode? This could have been his plan with Brock taking in poison that for all we know could be the same stuff used on the Mexican drug cartel, thus turning Jesse against Walt and killing him. Gus comes off scot free and Jesse still cooks, non the wiser.

[Kipperriffic]

I think that "Walt poisoned him" is a flawed assumption.

I. It may be that Gus poisoned Brock.

It is easier for Gus to steal ricin that it is for Walt. It is virtually impossible for Walt to steal it. Walt probably doesn't even know how close Jesse is to the kid - when he showed up at Jesse's house, he wans't really in a state of mind to be observing how fun and happy is the relation between Jesse and Brock. And don't even start witll Huell's pat down. You are looking wayyy to much into it to assume that Cigarette was transferred at Saul's office. (I can imagine Saul laughing at Walt's face at the idea).

Lets stick to the most plausible. Gus wanted to use Jesse to kill Walt. Gus, not Walt, knew about Brock and his family and their closeness to Jesse.

But Gus' plan failed when Walt prooved to outsmart him and turn Jesse against Gus instead! The only way Walt survives is if he can be 100% sure Jessie stays on his side, or Gus dies. Now, he could accomplish both tasks of getting Jesse on his side permanently AND getting Gus killed if he could do something to piss Jesse off at Gus enough to kill him. Jesse shows up at night and we have that amazing scene. I think most people missed this: Its not that Walt poisoned the kid, he is TAKING ADVANTAGE of the whole situation. He had no idea why Jesse was there. But after his crazy laugh, he cooks up this scheme of using Gus's plan against him.

Jesse did the stupid thing of mentioning "Poison" at the hospital to Gus. While walking to the car, Gus is thinking: "He knew about poison?" "why didn't he kill Walt" "Ah! Walt must have used the situation against me" "wait a minute, what else did they talk about last night" "where is Walt anyway" "...something is not right"

And now, Gus outsmarts Walt.


II. Brock poisoned himself

the third theory that both Walt and Gus don't have anything to do with the poisoning is the BEST one and imo the most likely. Both Gus and Walt are very sensitive to information now and very suspisious at activities happening around then. That sense of looming danger has walt taking risks of making a BOMB in his house! And the same sense prevented Gus from getting into the car. Brock - probably someone with easiest access to it - accidentally took out the cigarette. Its the whole feeling of danger in the air that has Jesse, Walt, and Gus overreacting to everything - in some cases its a bad thing (i.e. Jesse overreacting and wanting to kill walt) and in other cases, life saving (gus not getting in the car)

[corporatejay]

I think Brock poisoned himself, but Walt thinks it was Gus and Gus thinks it was Walt. I appreciate all the theories though, this kind of discussion is great.

[Jacks]

I'm going on the record that there is now way in hell that Walt poisoned the kid. Throughout this series Walt has struggled with crime and drugs and what he has had to do to survive but he has always kept a moral code. Kinds like how Dexter is a cold blooded sociopathic serial killer but he wouldn't harm an innocent person if he could avoid it.

I can't see, with a full season left, how the producers of the show would turn their main character into a child killer.

[Wormius]

Wonder if something big is going to happen on Sunday. With the entire White/Schraeder clan in one location, it would be convenient for Gus to strike.

The thing I find odd, is why is Gus so worked up about Walt and Jesse? For the amount of trouble they both cause, he would be better off if they were both dead and hire some other chemists to cook for him.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I'm going on the record that there is now way in hell that Walt poisoned the kid. Throughout this series Walt has struggled with crime and drugs and what he has had to do to survive but he has always kept a moral code. Kinds like how Dexter is a cold blooded sociopathic serial killer but he wouldn't harm an innocent person if he could avoid it.

I can't see, with a full season left, how the producers of the show would turn their main character into a child killer.

The kid isn't yet though, is he? Walt is a chemist and would have an idea for what would be lethal and what wouldn't. If the kid actually ingested the risin from the cigarette, he would have been dead before anyone knew what was wrong with him. Recall that Walt made the risin so that it would kill a full grown made so quickly that it would look like heart failure. He didn't want to give Gus flu-like symptoms and let him linger in the hospital. It must be something else making him sick.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Wonder if something big is going to happen on Sunday. With the entire White/Schraeder clan in one location, it would be convenient for Gus to strike.

The thing I find odd, is why is Gus so worked up about Walt and Jesse? For the amount of trouble they both cause, he would be better off if they were both dead and hire some other chemists to cook for him.

Two problems with that.

1. Gus continually talks about how one week down will cost him a ton of money so he needs Walt/Jesse alive until that guy is found.

2. How is is going to find a chemist that is a. able to reproduce the product and b. have the lack of morals to be a criminal. Look at the time that Gail had to work directly with Walt and even he didn't seem that comfortable to do it on his own.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Wonder if something big is going to happen on Sunday. With the entire White/Schraeder clan in one location, it would be convenient for Gus to strike.

The thing I find odd, is why is Gus so worked up about Walt and Jesse? For the amount of trouble they both cause, he would be better off if they were both dead and hire some other chemists to cook for him.

I suspect the writer's dilema here is neither possible endings at this stage are particularly satisfying, theres no particular 'prize' at the end to tie up all the loose ends and leave us feeling satisfied, if Walt kills Gus we end up thinking 'now what?' if Gus kills Walt it leaves the bad guy winning which is never likely in a US show, at best I can see Walt and Gus killing each other off and Jesse somehow being redeemed and walking out the 'winner'.

Your second point is why I went off this show a while back, the origanal idea, of a normal bloke finding himself doing illeagal activities in a crisis was interesting, from Tuco onwards it has devolved into little more than a Meth based MacGyver.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by moon

Two problems with that.

1. Gus continually talks about how one week down will cost him a ton of money so he needs Walt/Jesse alive until that guy is found.

2. How is is going to find a chemist that is a. able to reproduce the product and b. have the lack of morals to be a criminal. Look at the time that Gail had to work directly with Walt and even he didn't seem that comfortable to do it on his own.

Gibtechs, in reality, will shoot/snort/smoke anything and purity is not in any way a major factor in Meth, typically the writers are mistaking the issues of cocaine and heroin with meth, purity is a big deal in those drugs because the purer it is the easier it is to smuggle, meth being produced inside the US purity doesn't matter a dam.