American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[FlamesAddiction]

That guy has "mass shooting" written all over him. Book it.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Hmm, what's wrong with this tweet?

Doesn't the VP have an official @VPOTUS Twitter account or something?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Doesn't the VP have an official @VPOTUS Twitter account or something?

@VP is the VP's official Twitter account.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

We can take comfort in the fact that heart disease will kill most of these people before they get to die for their fuhrer.

I understand the sentiment and anger towards Trump, however the reference to Hitler is not appropriate. I think you can make your point without using the Hitler reference.

Trump has not enacted a plan to slaughter millions.
By likening Hitler to Trump, you lessen the stigma attached to Hitler.

Just my 2 cents.

[Flash Walken]

That is fair, killer, but there are definite comparisons to be made to the rise of Trump's brand of nationalism and the rise of the Nazi movement in Germany in the 20s and 30s.

The Wall Street Crash of 1929 heralded worldwide economic disaster. The Nazis and the Communists made great gains at the 1930 Election.[36] Both the Nazis and Communists were pledged to eliminating democracy,[citation needed] and between them secured over 50% of Reichstag seats, which required the moderate parties to consider negotiations with anti-democrats.[37] "The Communists", wrote Bullock, "openly announced that they would prefer to see the Nazis in power rather than lift a finger to save the republic".[38]

The Weimar political parties failed to stop the Nazi rise. Germany's Weimar political system made it difficult for chancellors to govern with a stable parliamentary majority, and successive chancellors instead relied on the president's emergency powers to govern.[39] From 1931 to 1933, the Nazis combined terror tactics with conventional campaigning – Hitler criss-crossed the nation by air, while SA troops paraded in the streets, beat up opponents, and broke up their meetings.[3]

A middle class liberal party strong enough to block the Nazis did not exist – the People's Party and the Democrats suffered severe losses to the Nazis at the polls. The Social Democrats were essentially a conservative trade union party, with ineffectual leadership. The Catholic Centre Party maintained its voting block, but was preoccupied with defending its own particular interests and, wrote Bullock: "through 1932-3 ... was so far from recognizing the danger of a Nazi dictatorship that it continued to negotiate with the Nazis". The Communists meanwhile were engaging in violent clashes with Nazis on the streets, but Moscow had directed the Communist Party to prioritise destruction of the Social Democrats, seeing more danger in them as a rival for the loyalty of the working class. Nevertheless, wrote Bullock, the heaviest responsibility lay with the German Right, who "forsook a true conservatism" and made Hitler their partner in a coalition government.[40]

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I understand the sentiment and anger towards Trump, however the reference to Hitler is not appropriate. I think you can make your point without using the Hitler reference.

Trump has not enacted a plan to slaughter millions.
By likening Hitler to Trump, you lessen the stigma attached to Hitler.

Just my 2 cents.

Depends upon the vintage...an early 1930's Adolph comparison is more appropriate than a 1943 Adolph comparison (and let's hope it stays that way).

IMHO Trump is more Mussolini-like

[dash_pinched]

Mikel Jollett ✔ @Mikel_Jollett

Trump says he'll sign EO allowing guns in schools. Guns were forbidden at:

His Inaugaration
His NRA Convention Speech
CPAC
Trump Hotels

[chemgear]

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by photon

At least we don't have to watch what would be a terribly painful evening.

Are you kidding me? It would be horrifically amazing.

But this, this would be even more amazing. Like the best ever. Amazing.

[Drak]

For those interested.

Louise Mensch has another blog out about the Russian stuff. This one's about Michael Cohen and his flights.

https://patribotics.wordpress.com/20...louise-mensch/

Some dull info but you can skip to about halfway down. She's pretty obsessed with the Russian ties.

[photon]

The beatings will continue until morale improves... (emphasis mine)

Press secretary Sean Spicer is cracking down on leaks coming out of the West Wing, with increased security measures that include random phone checks of White House staffers, overseen by White House attorneys.

...

Last week, after Spicer became aware that information had leaked out of a planning meeting with about a dozen of his communications staffers, he reconvened the group in his office to express his frustration over the number of private conversations and meetings that were showing up in unflattering news stories, according to sources in the room.

Upon entering Spicer’s office for what one person briefed on the gathering described as “an emergency meeting,” staffers were told to dump their phones on a table for a “phone check," to prove they had nothing to hide.

...

Spicer also warned the group of more problems if news of the phone checks and the meeting about leaks was leaked to the media. It's not the first time that warnings about leaks have promptly leaked.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ackdown-235413

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The best part of using the Argentina flag of course is that was the favored hiding spot of the Nazis post-WWII. Apparently I'm no better lol. Nicaragua it is.

No big deal, Nicaragua and Argentina have almost the same flag, just different symbols in the middle. Hard to tell them apart from such a small image.

Israels flag on the other hand has a big David's star which makes it one of the most easily recognizable flags in the world. (Plus the blue bars are thinner, a different shade of blue and placed differently.)

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by photon

The beatings will continue until morale improves... (emphasis mine)

Press secretary Sean Spicer is cracking down on leaks coming out of the West Wing, with increased security measures that include random phone checks of White House staffers, overseen by White House attorneys.

...

Last week, after Spicer became aware that information had leaked out of a planning meeting with about a dozen of his communications staffers, he reconvened the group in his office to express his frustration over the number of private conversations and meetings that were showing up in unflattering news stories, according to sources in the room.

Upon entering Spicer’s office for what one person briefed on the gathering described as “an emergency meeting,” staffers were told to dump their phones on a table for a “phone check," to prove they had nothing to hide.

...

Spicer also warned the group of more problems if news of the phone checks and the meeting about leaks was leaked to the media. It's not the first time that warnings about leaks have promptly leaked.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ackdown-235413

I look forward to tomorrow's leak about how Spicer was pissed that his meeting about stopping leaks about meetings about stopping leaks was leaked.

[Drak]

I look forward to the leaks on Wednesday after the House attempts to stifle Russiagate on Tuesday.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I understand the sentiment and anger towards Trump, however the reference to Hitler is not appropriate. I think you can make your point without using the Hitler reference.

Trump has not enacted a plan to slaughter millions.
By likening Hitler to Trump, you lessen the stigma attached to Hitler.

Just my 2 cents.

As a couple people have pointed out, the similarities are definitely worth noting. Remember: Hitler wasn't "Hitler" until very late in the game, and a lot of scholars believe that the final solution was sort of "fallen towards" as things progressed out of control (that it wasn't planned years and years in advance).

I think you do better by the people we owe respect and the history we're meant to learn from when you don't talk about Hitler in hushed tones, like his name is an inhuman curse, recognise the patterns and ideology that led Germany down that horrible path, and point it out when you see it.

"Don't compare someone to Hitler, because you trivialise the holocaust" is a good attitude in theory, but if it stops you from making appropriate and important comparisons? Then you're in the wrong, unfortunately.

There are tons of books, papers, and documentaries worth taking in about that period of history. The rise of Hitler and why so many regular citizens went along with the holocaust (specifically the way Jewish people were characterised by the public long before the holocaust, not unlike we talk about Muslims today) is really fascinating and you'll find some extremely concerning parallels between that situation and America today.

[GGG]

But if you want to have that conversation you also need to include all of the times populists got elected, or elected officials committed similar early acts and didn't become Hitler. The majority of populists get voted out after their populism doesn't work or they cave and abandon their populist principles when it's clear they won't work.

Saying young Hitler did this ergo Trump is Hitler is not a productive discussion either.

I'll start paying attention to the Trump Hitler comparison the day he asks the Senaye to expand the Supreme Court to put his people on it.

[DuffMan]

Hitler, Jews.
Trump, Muslims and Mexicans.

Find an identifiable group to put the blame of everything on.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

The problem with comparing Trump to Hitler is that it is the most dramatic example of a totalitarian fascist people are familiar with...it makes it seem unlikely to some that Adolph Trump could really happen here.

I think that seeing how 'vanilla' Fascists have usurped power many times in many countries would be more effective in showing the peril that America faces today.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Yemenghazi works right? Also, looking forward to the Trump cultists going bat#### on this man.



http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...135064074.html

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Yemenghazi works right? Also, looking forward to the Trump cultists going bat#### on this man.



http://www.miamiherald.com/news/poli...135064074.html

The Democrats should be relentless on this issue...