Israel declares war on Hamas

[TheIronMaiden]

It crazy to me that any time someone tries to talk about a path forward, a vocal group cries out that it is impossible and the only solution is bombing the ever living #### out of Palestine.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

While I don’t totally disagree with you, but I would say the biggest obstacle to a two-state solution is Hamas. Since they are under control and a two-state solution will not happen while they are.

Benjamin Netanyahu is sad that you're gaslighting all the hard work that he's done over the last 30 years. This is why he has to say it publicly over and over now because people still not giving him his credit.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

I'm excited a new buffer zone is being created. I wonder how long the discussions were about whether the buffer zone would be created on the Israeli side or the Gaza side?

Anyone know what the standard of conduct is in conflicts and taking territory away? Frowned upon? Illegal? Just good perimeter management?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

They are currently working on removing Hamas from power.

Glad to see the support, I am sure it is appreciated!!

No matter what the timeline of the two-state solution is, Hamas needs to be eliminated.


Sure, I have bought several houses and recreational properties that had lots of negotiating, quite complicated actually. However, I don’t see the parallels to this.

Do you have anything to add besides “Hamas needs to be eliminated” or is that the extent of any intellectual contribution to this thread? It’s well established and we’re actually trying to have a conversation. Please don’t feel the need to bring everything back to a dumbed down version of the same thing over and over.

Originally Posted by blankall

Do you actually believe this? Hamas has total control of what's going on inside Gaza and they have pledged to destroy Israel. Israel can't put a single person on the ground in Hamas without a major confrontation. Hamas receives billions from sources like Iran and Qatar. They cannot be easily removed. You can't just side step them.

The fact you've based your opinion on a set of facts so far removed from reality certainly gives insight into where your opinion is coming from. This is legit fantasy.

Kind of off putting to say Hamas has total control of what’s going on inside Gaza and then talk about what is/isn’t reality/fantasy, especially for someone who has shared a pretty heavy amount of misinformation and complete nonsense.

To believe what you just posted, you’d have to have paid zero attention to anything that has happened since October. Considering the amount of posting you’ve done, that’s really concerning.

[Doctorfever]

Pepsi.

If Israel controls Gaza, how did Hamas get elected?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Pepsi.

If Israel controls Gaza, how did Hamas get elected?

Doctor.

When was Hamas elected.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by pepsifree

doctor.

When was hamas elected.

2006

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

2006

Then I guess you only have 15-20 years of history to catch up on.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Then I guess you only have 15-20 years of history to catch up on.

So the election happened while Israel was in control of Gaza? Since Israel has controlled it for decades.

[Manhattanboy]

A family friend's son was wounded in Gaza and thankfully should make a full recovery.

When you consider the size of the population of Israel and how many families have been directly and indirectly affected by the events of October 7 and the war that Hamas started, its not surprising that no one wants to discuss a two-state solution right now, particularly with Israelis still in the underground tunnels of Hamas.

The sad truth is that Israel is a totally different country than it was on October 6.

Of course in the long run a Palestinian state is the only way forward to peace and security in the region. The hope is that new leadership will emerge on both sides that can somehow achieve this.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

It crazy to me that any time someone tries to talk about a path forward, a vocal group cries out that it is impossible and the only solution is bombing the ever living #### out of Palestine.

It’s crazy to me that people can talk about a path forward while Hamas holds hostages, waged this war, and just recently declined a 2 month cease fire in exchange for hostages.

I also don’t see you talking about a path forward, except a nice joke about Israel converting Palestinian children to Judaism a few pages back.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Maybe they could pull a card out of Canada and Austrilia's book at kidnap children, forcing them into boarding schools where they have to learn Judaism. It would only take a century.

Great discussion about a path forward

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

So the election happened while Israel was in control of Gaza? Since Israel has controlled it for decades.

Correct.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

It crazy to me that any time someone tries to talk about a path forward, a vocal group cries out that it is impossible and the only solution is bombing the ever living #### out of Palestine.

It may seem crazy. But there is no way forward with Hamas in power, and no way to remove Hamas except by force.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Great discussion about a path forward

“I've found out why people laugh. They laugh because it hurts so much . . . because it's the only thing that'll make it stop hurting.”
― Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land

While it may not be funny, there is a historical president for deterritorialization strategies. Folks continually state that all Palestinians support Hamas and in the same line of thought say that Hamas needs to be destroyed. Is assimilation off the table? who knows what the future holds. The joke is an argument that assimilation does not work as is not a path forward.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

It crazy to me that any time someone tries to talk about a path forward, a vocal group cries out that it is impossible and the only solution is bombing the ever living #### out of Palestine.

The problem is this talk of a way forward doesn't recognize the very large elephant in the room. Hamas is literally the organization that derailed and has prevented all peace talks. The Israelis and Palestinians were likely on the very of a comprehensive peace deal until Hamas, who's stated goal is to prevent that from happening took over.

Once again, if anyone can show how this supposed way forward works with Hamas in control, I'd like to hear it.

[Language]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Correct.

Please elaborate. Let me guess - “occupation”.


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[Bagor]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

It crazy to me that any time someone tries to talk about a path forward, a vocal group cries out that it is impossible and the only solution is bombing the ever living #### out of Palestine.

Because you are asking a group to be agreeable to the allowance of basic human rights to another group that they struggle to recognize as humans..

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by blankall

The problem is this talk of a way forward doesn't recognize the very large elephant in the room. Hamas is literally the organization that derailed and has prevented all peace talks. The Israelis and Palestinians were likely on the very of a comprehensive peace deal until Hamas, who's stated goal is to prevent that from happening took over.

Once again, if anyone can show how this supposed way forward works with Hamas in control, I'd like to hear it.

Sure it does, there are just a select group of people here who either can’t or refuse to advance the discussion beyond “Hamas must be eliminated” and repeatedly justifying limitless aggression in support of that.

Just because some people are interested and capable of having a discussion that goes beyond “ELIMINATE HAMAS” does not mean that those conversations are a suggestion not to eliminate Hamas, keep Hamas in control, or require constant reminders that we must “ELIMINATE HAMAS”… something that the same people have shared hundreds of times collectively in this thread yet somehow still believe needs to be inserted into any direction the conversation goes as though it’s adding anything at all.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

…something that the same people have shared hundreds of times collectively in this thread yet somehow still believe needs to be inserted into any direction the conversation goes as though it’s adding anything at all.

Now ask Bagor why he thinks denouncing the attacks on Gaza as genocide for a 60th or 70th or 80th time in this thread will add anything at all to the discussion.