2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[traptor]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Not sure about this. Stay in SJ and go through a rebuild or come to Calgary and play meaningful games.

I think this is a red herring. Why would SJ trade their top prospect who is on the cusp of making the show for a package that would set their rebuild timeline back further. Don’t buy it.

Yeah makes zero sense from sharks perspective.

I'd consider it from the flames pov if it was real. Youre not going to get a better prospect back for lindy then eklund.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Not sure about this. Stay in SJ and go through a rebuild or come to Calgary and play meaningful games.

I think this is a red herring. Why would SJ trade their top prospect who is on the cusp of making the show for a package that would set their rebuild timeline back further. Don’t buy it.

The guy posting those tweets Carrie’s himself like an insider but I am not sure I have seen anything be proven to be true. A lot of Pom Pom waving as well so while it would be nice to have a real insider posting some of these Flames tidbits o find myself taking them with a grain of salt.

He claims the org has soured on Eklund somewhat so getting likely one of the very best rentals, a goalie they can keep for 2+ years and dumping a bad contract might be worth losing a top prospect. Even taking the Horvat package the Sharks would get a 1st and decent prospect when flipping Lindy at 50% retention.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Major Major

People are undervalueing Couture massively here. The contract isn't great, but he outscored any centre on our team while playing top line pp and pk roles. Plug and play captain that turns it up in the playoffs and a legit 1B centre... This is not the profile of a player that requires a top prospect in order to dump them. This is not Lucic.

Think of the trade this way:

Lindholm and Vladar for Eklund

Couture makes the cap work.

I think if SJ adds a second rounder OR retains a million, it is a good trade.

Which is not a good trade for the Flames.

If it were Lindholm for Eklund + 2nd, that is getting closer. Then, if you want to give us Couture, add a 3rd

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Which is not a good trade for the Flames.

If it were Lindholm for Eklund + 2nd, that is getting closer. Then, if you want to give us Couture, add a 3rd

Guess you haven’t been following the trade returns this off season. Don’t think it is remotely possible to get Eklund and a 2nd for lindholm. Not to mention I have my doubts lindholm would sign an extension with a team that is going into a full rebuild very soon.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Guess you haven’t been following the trade returns this off season. Don’t think it is remotely possible to get Eklund and a 2nd for lindholm. Not to mention I have my doubts lindholm would sign an extension with a team that is going into a full rebuild very soon.

I have been, thanks, but let me ask you this: why should the Flames settle for less return, but the Sharks don't have to?

When it's players for players, it has to be even.

If you're talking about picks and prospects, then yes, the market for returns is currently low (at which point, then don't trade), but for players, both teams are playing by the same rules.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I have been, thanks, but let me ask you this: why should the Flames settle for less return, but the Sharks don't have to?

When it's players for players, it has to be even.

If you're talking about picks and prospects, then yes, the market for returns is currently low (at which point, then don't trade), but for players, both teams are playing by the same rules.

Because flames are bent over a barrel right now. Hanifin has said he won’t re-sign and today backlund has said the same. Lindholm is in a wait and see mode with flames . The whole league knows flames won’t rebuild . GMs are not throwing conroy life preservers right now. They are circulating like sharks.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Because flames are bent over a barrel right now. Hanifin has said he won’t re-sign and today backlund has said the same. Lindholm is in a wait and see mode with flames . The whole league knows flames won’t rebuild . GMs are not throwing conroy life preservers right now. They are circulating like sharks.

Circling?

The players have an expiry of the trade deadline.

The Flames don't have to be bent over the barrel until that time (8 months), and all that is needed in that time frame is two teams needing or wanting either player and then bent over a barrel turns into a bidding war.

That's a lot of time to wait and see and not feel pressured into doing something because it's perceived they're over a barrel.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Yeah that's a bit dramaticizing. I'm sure GMs want Conroy and co. to feel like they are and jump on a bad deal but they still hold the cards for a period of time.

If offers were poor at the draft, they'll almost certainly be better at the deadline. If they have to wait it out that long then so be it.

If these teams really want these players today then they can table better offers.

There are always regrettable prices paid for rentals at the deadline because of competition, and the Flames are banking on that.

[Sylvanfan]

San Jose is eating salary on Burns...Likely has to in a Karlsson deal. So I can't see them committing their third slot. They'll want to keep it for yearly deadline moves I'd guess. So likely why they would offer a good prospect to dump the entire Couture deal.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I have been, thanks, but let me ask you this: why should the Flames settle for less return, but the Sharks don't have to?

When it's players for players, it has to be even.

If you're talking about picks and prospects, then yes, the market for returns is currently low (at which point, then don't trade), but for players, both teams are playing by the same rules.

Assuming we take Lindholm to the deadline, a trade probably looks like the Horvat deal. Would you prefer that to a single top prospect with breakthrough potential like Eklund? Quality over quantity in my mind.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Assuming we take Lindholm to the deadline, a trade probably looks like the Horvat deal. Would you prefer that to a single top prospect with breakthrough potential like Eklund? Quality over quantity in my mind.

Yeah I'd take one A+ prospect over a Phaneuf return.

But these guys should garner that prospect and a pick at least.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Assuming we take Lindholm to the deadline, a trade probably looks like the Horvat deal. Would you prefer that to a single top prospect with breakthrough potential like Eklund? Quality over quantity in my mind.

Any deal for lindy should just target the best possible single piece you can get back.

The flames really need to prioritize quality. We have tons of good middle 6 options. We desperately need elite talent.

If eklund is in the table, that's probably the best realistic piece you could expect to get.

[Samonadreau]

Why the heck would Sanjo be looking to get Lindy?

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Yeah I'd take one A+ prospect over a Phaneuf return.

But these guys should garner that prospect and a pick at least.

Ok maybe but it would be atypical for the A+ prospect to be available at all. Most likely thing at the deadline is we see a multi piece return with a mid-late pick being the centre piece. Teams like SJS are not trading their on track top 10 picks from 2 drafts ago for this type of player, so if they somehow have lost their minds, you just say yes.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Why the heck would Sanjo be looking to get Lindy?

It seems by the report that they would flip Lindholm for futures. So their interest in the deal is to move on from Couture's contract and then flip Lindholm for futures.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Spurs

It seems by the report that they would flip Lindholm for futures. So their interest in the deal is to move on from Couture's contract and then flip Lindholm for futures.

Weird they think the flames would do that. Why wouldn’t we just trade lindholm for the same futures…

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

San Jose is eating salary on Burns...Likely has to in a Karlsson deal. So I can't see them committing their third slot. They'll want to keep it for yearly deadline moves I'd guess. So likely why they would offer a good prospect to dump the entire Couture deal.

The trade should be Couture and Karlson for a 4th round pick then if they do not want to eat any salary. The Flames could make the trade of Lindholm for futures then and just sub in Couture's 8 million for the next 4 years and his expected 60-70 points a year for the next 4 years over the expected 65-75 points from Lindholm over the next 4 years.

Once you get these old guys on big money contracts it is hard to move them as evidenced by the return over the summer.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Weird they think the flames would do that. Why wouldn’t we just trade lindholm for the same futures…

Seems to spell to me that, at least in this trade conversation, SJ thinks the Flames aren't looking at futures packages and would be happy to in their stead.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Not sure about this. Stay in SJ and go through a rebuild or come to Calgary and play meaningful games.

I think this is a red herring. Why would SJ trade their top prospect who is on the cusp of making the show for a package that would set their rebuild timeline back further. Don’t buy it.

SJ has been in a rebuild for some years, I doubt Couture wants to move from California.

If he did want to move, I'm not sure if Calgary is the play which guarantees him meaningful games over the next 4 years though.

[Major Major]

Only thing that makes remote sense is that he has quietly asked out and Calgary is one of or maybe the only interested team.