[PGT] Flames beat Edmonton, 6-4!

[UKflames]

Did I miss our favourite weather announcer????

Oh yea, great to beat the oilers. Maybe we have found three lines with players in combinations that can work. Bennett with JG and SM isn't going to work instantly, need to give it a few games for all three to get used to each other but a good start.

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The funny thing is, that McDavid and Draisaitl were so tired by 5 minutes left in the game they were hardly skating.

"A stationary McDavid and Draisaitl have a better chance of scoring than any of our other forwards."

-- Dave Tippett, probably

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

SFW visual of the CBC crew (cat) and McDavid (banana).

This is the second post on the CBC. I'm watching from the UK and even I know this is a stupid take.

Its Sportsnet.

It has been Sportsnet for the past SEVEN years!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

are you serious? tons of male announcers get trashed on here too

she talked about one player the entire game even though his team was losing for the majority of said game

LOL, in the last game against Winnipeg, Hrudey ripped on Morrissey for 30 seconds after Johnny burned him behind the net bouncing the puck off the back of the net and reversing direction to shake Morrissey. Said a NHL dman should not get beat by that play, like Morrissey could just reach out and grab Johnny to stop him. If Cassie had such a laughable take in a game there would be 2 pages of commentary about it. I bet there was nary a comment on Hrudey's take last game.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by zamler

NSFW!

For those that missed the weather report.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

You’re the only one who brought up her gender. Way to go white knight.


Leah Hextall, Jen Hedger, Kate Beirness, Andi Petrillo and others get regular praise for their work.

Not surprisingly none are in the toughest job in the business, PBP or colour commentary.

Meanwhile, every man who has either of those two jobs get roasted regularly.

But you never noticed then because they were men. And we all know the path to equality is with awful double standards and patronizing attitudes towards the women. That’ll make them feel equal and welcome.

Edit: I just realized this was Peter. Dude. Come on!

What do you think the ratio is between all male PBP and colour commentator critiques and Cassie critiques. If your theory of everyone gets roasted regularly, the ratio should be about 3 times as many posts criticizing the men as criticizing Cassie. Of course that is not the case though, and I suspect you know that.

[Huntingwhale]

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Fun game to watch, defensive play be damned! Glad the team was able to come out on the right side of the scoresheet. Frustrating 1st period that had me feeling bad. But Flames got better as the game went on.

Love seeing Johnny when he is flying. Fun player to watch when he's on. Dube showing his absolute bomb of a shot. Had a couple wicked one-timers. Flames desperately need a player who can shoot like that consistently so glad it's a part of his repertoire.

Bit of redemption for Bennett. Nice to see him pot one. Didn't think he looked too out of place. Nice shot of him, Johnny and Mony on the bench after his goal. Flames jersey's also looked sharp AF.

LOL @ Draisatl's 5 minute shift than out right after.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

What do you think the ratio is between all male PBP and colour commentator critiques and Cassie critiques. If your theory of everyone gets roasted regularly, the ratio should be about 3 times as many posts criticizing the men as criticizing Cassie. Of course that is not the case though, and I suspect you know that.

Have you actually counted? If you haven't, the ‘of course’ is blatant BS.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Have you actually counted? If you haven't, the ‘of course’ is blatant BS.

There were approximately 23 times as many negative comments about Cassie this game and in the PGT thread as there were negative comments about Hrudey in the last Winnipeg game (a game he was awful in in my subjective opinion). Small sample size, but that is one game. Have not done the larger sample size, but feel free to do it if you want.

[gt4flames]

Neal getting hit with a Mcavi shot in the slot was the most effort he ever put into playing solid d for the flames

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

There were approximately 23 times as many negative comments about Cassie this game and in the PGT thread as there were negative comments about Hrudey in the last Winnipeg game (a game he was awful in in my subjective opinion). Small sample size, but that is one game. Have not done the larger sample size, but feel free to do it if you want.

Oh, so because Hrudey was bad in your subjective opinion, it is objectively necessary for CP as a group to criticize him 23 times as often, or else we're all sexist pigs?

Gotcha.

(And never mind that the one game was a nothingburger against the Jets, and the other was a Battle of Alberta in which the broadcast crew went far, far out of their way to pump up McDavid every chance they got. Yeah, that'll play well to a Calgary crowd. Totally comparable situations, naturally.)

[-TC-]

I enjoyed the hell out of that game, even with the Flames not looking ideal in the first, I never felt like they were really out of it or on their heels. It felt more like a rope-a-dope to me. We know where the Oilers are weak, it was a matter of containing the top 2 guys (I thought the Flames played McDavid really solid for the most part) and waiting for the inevitable defensive breakdown and weak goaltending. When it arrived, the Flames exploited both.

I thought the top 6 was solid, Johnny was great again, it was Backs best game of the season, and Monahan had a quiet, solid 200 ft game. I thought the third line was good, and contributed in a positive way. The fourth line didn't hurt the Flames and that's all I ask. The Flames have an excellent backend and it showed tonight. Marky was Marky, he's awesome.

Offtopic:

I've decided to stay away, for the most part, from the GT threads. They've become so toxic and negative it detracts from my enjoyment of the game. The PGT's are now doing the same.

This forum has a subset of posters who insist on bringing negativity and hostility to every part of the community and that's ruining it.

I don't come here to listen to you piss and moan about every little thing that rubs you the wrong way, or the player who really don't like. I don't come here to listen to you virtue signal and call people out for slights they haven't made (for the record Cassie Campbell isn't great at her job, last night was especially bad, and it has nothing to do with her gender), nor do I come here for one poster attacking another poster constantly. I come here to spend time with folks who love the team I love, for the community.

I get it, the world is a ####hole right now, most folks are struggling in one way or another. I am too, I haven't seen a paycheque since last September. But I don't come here to complain about that or anything else. I come here to escape that.

And, if it's going to be all about rage, hate, judgement and abuse, then I'm out. I'm done with it.

I believe in free speech, I would never tell you what you can or can't say. I'm telling you where I stand and where my line is.

I think Bingo and the mods need to have a conversation. And I think some of the valued members to think about why they come here and what they bring.

Ok, rant over. Thanks for reading if you did.

Go Flames Go.

[transplant99]

Campbell was awful last night....full stop. It's not sexist, misogynistic or any other buzz word, to make that observation. She has been so much better at other times, but last night was a giant turd.

Singh was even worse in my opinion. What the hell was with that Gaudreau goal call all about? On an a national broadcast no less. Embarrassing. I guess saying that makes me racist though?

Im a guy that really doesn't care about announcing enough to allow it to affect my viewing of the game occurring as it has zero actual bearing on whats actually happening on the ice. Last night though was without a doubt the worst "broadcast" i've experienced for a long long time. This is said having endured the babbling of Hrudey for years. He can be good at analysis but he is horrendous at color.

So no, being critical of Cassie is not necessarily sexist. She needs to be far better at her job.

[ToraToraTora]

Originally Posted by -TC-

Offtopic:

I've decided to stay away, for the most part, from the GT threads. They've become so toxic and negative it detracts from my enjoyment of the game. The PGT's are now doing the same.

This forum has a subset of posters who insist on bringing negativity and hostility to every part of the community and that's ruining it.

I don't come here to listen to you piss and moan about every little thing that rubs you the wrong way, or the player who really don't like. I don't come here to listen to you virtue signal and call people out for slights they haven't made (for the record Cassie Campbell isn't great at her job, last night was especially bad, and it has nothing to do with her gender), nor do I come here for one poster attacking another poster constantly. I come here to spend time with folks who love the team I love, for the community.

I get it, the world is a ####hole right now, most folks are struggling in one way or another. I am too, I haven't seen a paycheque since last September. But I don't come here to complain about that or anything else. I come here to escape that.

And, if it's going to be all about rage, hate, judgement and abuse, then I'm out. I'm done with it.

I believe in free speech, I would never tell you what you can or can't say. I'm telling you where I stand and where my line is.

I think Bingo and the mods need to have a conversation. And I think some of the valued members to think about why they come here and what they bring.

Ok, rant over. Thanks for reading if you did.

Go Flames Go.

I completely stopped coming on for the gt. Even post win pgts are getting bad. If we could have a zamler gaskal one only I'd be happy.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

[Tkachukwagon]

Gotta read the responses to the Friedman tweet. One guy comparing the oilers shortening the bench to a second year peewee team had me laughing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1358291782463848449

Thanks for the additional ATL Friedman.

[bubbsy]

My thoughts on the game :

- I was pretty flabbergasted after watching the first period. Flames only mustering 3 shots (2 really).

- backlund, the whole line, were incredible. Backlund plays McDavid really well, at least at 5 on 5.

- the top line, with Bennett, were useless for over 40 mins. They scored 2 off the rush in the third. Hopefully that can be a momementum building game for them as a line.

- this was Giordano's best game in ages.

- Markstrom is the team MVP, and it's not even close.

- the best part of having guys like froese and Rinaldo in was ward was forced to keep the bench down to 3 lines, which is required in tight games, and how the flames are trending.

- Nordstrom is beyond terrible. Dumb penalties, failure to clear the puck deep, he's all around, kinda useless. I would like to see him scratched and someone like gadwin come in,at least for a game or two.

Lastly, I can't think of any thing better than watching the flames beat down the oilers on Saturday night. I really needed that.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Campbell was awful last night....full stop. It's not sexist, misogynistic or any other buzz word, to make that observation. She has been so much better at other times, but last night was a giant turd.

Singh was even worse in my opinion. What the hell was with that Gaudreau goal call all about? On an a national broadcast no less. Embarrassing. I guess saying that makes me racist though?

Im a guy that really doesn't care about announcing enough to allow it to affect my viewing of the game occurring as it has zero actual bearing on whats actually happening on the ice. Last night though was without a doubt the worst "broadcast" i've experienced for a long long time. This is said having endured the babbling of Hrudey for years. He can be good at analysis but he is horrendous at color.

So no, being critical of Cassie is not necessarily sexist. She needs to be far better at her job.

The "quality" of the announcing never really bothers me. I don't think Hrudey or Cassie are that great in general. As long as there is a reasonable level of objectivity it's fine. Announcers will always talk more about the team they cover, and that's also fine. My issue is last night was over the top. I'd get it if we only saw Mcdavid once a year, but we get 10 games. There's no need for that over the top coverage.

As for the toxicity of the site. Extrapolating my experience, I'm guessing many are feeling ground down by the ongoing pandemic, and general crap economy of the last number of years. This year hockey was supposed to be something to look forward to for Flames fans, and for the most part it's been a let down. With limited outlets (see pandemic) everything feels worse.

This must be what's it's like to be an Oilers fan every year. Poor bastards.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by -TC-

I enjoyed the hell out of that game, even with the Flames not looking ideal in the first, I never felt like they were really out of it or on their heels. It felt more like a rope-a-dope to me. We know where the Oilers are weak, it was a matter of containing the top 2 guys (I thought the Flames played McDavid really solid for the most part) and waiting for the inevitable defensive breakdown and weak goaltending. When it arrived, the Flames exploited both.

I thought the top 6 was solid, Johnny was great again, it was Backs best game of the season, and Monahan had a quiet, solid 200 ft game. I thought the third line was good, and contributed in a positive way. The fourth line didn't hurt the Flames and that's all I ask. The Flames have an excellent backend and it showed tonight. Marky was Marky, he's awesome.

Offtopic:

I've decided to stay away, for the most part, from the GT threads. They've become so toxic and negative it detracts from my enjoyment of the game. The PGT's are now doing the same.

This forum has a subset of posters who insist on bringing negativity and hostility to every part of the community and that's ruining it.

I don't come here to listen to you piss and moan about every little thing that rubs you the wrong way, or the player who really don't like. I don't come here to listen to you virtue signal and call people out for slights they haven't made (for the record Cassie Campbell isn't great at her job, last night was especially bad, and it has nothing to do with her gender), nor do I come here for one poster attacking another poster constantly. I come here to spend time with folks who love the team I love, for the community.

I get it, the world is a ####hole right now, most folks are struggling in one way or another. I am too, I haven't seen a paycheque since last September. But I don't come here to complain about that or anything else. I come here to escape that.

And, if it's going to be all about rage, hate, judgement and abuse, then I'm out. I'm done with it.

I believe in free speech, I would never tell you what you can or can't say. I'm telling you where I stand and where my line is.

I think Bingo and the mods need to have a conversation. And I think some of the valued members to think about why they come here and what they bring.

Ok, rant over. Thanks for reading if you did.

Go Flames Go.

Originally Posted by ToraToraTora

I completely stopped coming on for the gt. Even post win pgts are getting bad. If we could have a zamler gaskal one only I'd be happy.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

You know what’s even worse? The people who whine and complain about it, adding to the negativity.

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by Red

OK so Monahan is not good enough then? We agree on that.

Sorry, I'm just annoyed with the guy. He flat out sucks. Unless Johnny feeds him gimmies. Otherwise he is completely invisible.

You flat out suck with some of your takes, man. It’s one thing to criticize a player, especially after a loss. You clearly have something against this player, and you have chosen the oddest time to pile on him. Just looking for attention??

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by united

You obviously like stats and frequently post them to the betterment of the forum, but I have to be honest I have noticed how often you seemingly go to bat specifically for Monahan (and against Gaudreau). What am I missing?

9 Flames forwards have played at least 100 minutes at 5-on-5 this season. Per Natural Stattrick, here is where Monahan ranks among the 9 - and very important to note these are all naturally highly correlated I am not saying he sucks in 35 different categories just there is no outlier to give benefit of the doubt.

xGF60: 7th
xGA60: 8th
xGF%: 8th

CF60: 7th
CA60: 8th
CF%: 8th

xGF60 (rel): 7th
xGA60 (rel): 8th
xGF% (rel): 8th

CF60 (rel): 7th
CA60 (rel): 8th
CF% (rel): 8th

Now add all that to zone usage context (which is typically over-rated but is not meaningless) of which no forward on the Flames has been deployed in a more offensive zone-heavy manner than Monahan, plus as we know a commensurate decrease in strength of competition with Lindholm's new role.

I was excited that 13 and 23 were going to finally going to be deployed in a manner that would enhance their strengths 5v5 given they are both horrendous in their own end, but when viewing their play in that context, I would say they have been mediocre so far. Two players of their caliber, with those minutes, shouldn't be sub-55% xG let alone treading closer to break-even. They obviously add a ton of value with the man advantage, but imagine if they were 55% or better at even and contributed on the PP. If they can get to 55+ with selective minutes or just break even matching other teams' top lines that would be huge for the Flames, but not looking good on either which is disappointing as we need them to pull their weight.

Now, I wrote all that while feeling partially ashamed as the importance of adequate sample size can't be understated and at about 130 minutes, he still has 70 minutes to play at minimum before we can start making concrete conclusions...but the early returns have been somewhat discouraging. Again, not meaning offence or targeting. I badly want them to put it together so the Flames go on a deep run.

I feel like I’ve actually praised both Gaudreau and Monahan for their games this season, don’t really recall singling out Gaudreau for poor play at all. I’ve had really high praise for Lindholms play at Center as well. I called out Backlund & Tkachuk but there were time where they were legitimately bad in those games against Winnipeg and were serving up Pizzas.

I am not to worried about the team rank because Backlund and Lindholm lines have been in the positive on the Corsi/xGF ledger as well.

Overall Gaudreau and Monahan have never been high possession drivers, that’s just not going to be their thing. So for them being at 50% Corsi is not bad, and being at 52% xGF% while isn’t great is still a lot better than they were at last year (48%).

And to me the big thing for both Gaudreau and Monahan has been effort. They still aren’t great defensively but they are trying a lot harder in their own end, which is a start, and They’ve been able to cut down on the quality of chances against in their own zone.

And while part of it is a bit of a PDO bender they’ve been on on the ice for 6 GF and only 3 GA at 5v5 this season as a pair, I’ll take that any day of the week.

With Covid this offseason and this season it seems pretty clear that moving either of these guys isn’t on the cards, so might as well be positive with the improvements they have made and that they are playing better.