Ongoing thread for Neal/Lucic discussion

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Sorry but I'm done getting emotionally invested in this franchise when all they do is lose when the games really matter. If they can actually win a round in the playoffs next year I'll start paying attention again, but until that happens I don't see the point

Well that’s the quintessential definition of a bandwagon fan.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Sorry but I'm done getting emotionally invested in this franchise when all they do is lose when the games really matter. If they can actually win a round in the playoffs next year I'll start paying attention again, but until that happens I don't see the point

Why spend time on Calgarypuck then?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Isbrant

not sure if it has been asked yet, what does the buyout look like for Edmonton and Calgary if Calgary buys out Lucic?

Frickin' awful. Basically no savings, so it's not worth it.

This year's buyout window is closed, so the earliest he could be bought out would be next June, with 3 years remaining on the contract. After a buyout, his cap hit for the final three seasons would be: $5.5M, $4M, and $5.5M instead of $6M each year. There would also be a $500,000 cap hit for three additional years.

The Oilers portion of that would be a percentage equal to whatever percentage of his salary they retain in the trade.

[Azure]

At 10% retention the cap hit is less, right?

So if they got him to waive his NMC completely, then it is a better deal than having Neal here next year.

If we get a draft pick out of it, even better.

To me it doesn't necessarily come down to which player is better, they both suck. It is about which contract is easier to manage after all is said and done.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I don't listen to Fan960 anymore. Who is this host?

Can't remember the name but I think he's just a fill in guy

[oldschoolcalgary]

Seems Dumb AF...

not sure what the logic behind this trade is, at all...

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by stang

All I have to say is this....


HELL YEAH!!

I’ll have to chance my profile pic now

Can’t wait to see Lucic as a Flame!

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why spend time on Calgarypuck then?

I say we just randomly seed and jump straight to the playoffs.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well, there we have it.

Legitimately one of the worst moves in franchise history. This could cost us Andersson or Mangiapane.

Even if the NMC were operative for the expansion draft, there'd be no chance in hell that it cost them Andersson; they'd trade him first. And if the worst move in franchise history costs you Andrew Mangiapane, well, you've had one heck of a strong run from your GMs.

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Brouwer, Lazar, Neal, Lucic..... not sure how Treliving seems to get off the hook here always.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hanifin, Lindholm, Ryan, Hamonic, plus hella good contract negotiation.

That, and "first place in the Western Conference" probably played a role.

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I don't like this. I thought Lucic was under contract for two more years - it's four.

This was my immediate reaction - "Oh, okay. They're both terrible, so if the Flames manage to get a pick out of it and the salary evens out, they just get out from under their anchor a year sooner". I was surprised to see they're equal length, although when I think about it, yeah, Lucic was signed for 7x6 in 2016. I think I had him confused with Loui Eriksson.

So there you go Treliving, go ahead and flip him for Eriksson!

... In all seriousness, if the rumoured retention and pick are true (based on what I've read in here, EDM retains $600k and provides a conditional mid-round pick, which I assume will be based on Lucic playing X number of games) then I dunno. It's kind of garbage in, garbage out. If the NMC goes by the wayside, they can bury him in the minors, and if you were going to do that with Neal anyway, then it's pretty much pure upside.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Still need to let it sink in but I’m coming around to the thought of 240 + hits a season Lucic playing with 120 + hits a season Bennett... would have really liked Puljujarvi to be a part of the trade though...

I wonder how many people are going to explode when Brad sends Brodie to the Sens for Borowiecki!

Hits Brodie Borowiecki
16-17 115 364
17-18 99 226 52 games
18-19 86 212 53 games

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Sorry but I'm done getting emotionally invested in this franchise when all they do is lose when the games really matter. If they can actually win a round in the playoffs next year I'll start paying attention again, but until that happens I don't see the point

You've been "done" with them quite a few times, I think you just enjoy the drama of announcing it. Either be a fan, with all that entails, or quietly move on to something else.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Sorry but I'm done getting emotionally invested in this franchise when all they do is lose when the games really matter. If they can actually win a round in the playoffs next year I'll start paying attention again, but until that happens I don't see the point

I hope that you don't approach everything in your life like this, sincerely.

If so, I imagine you have quite an unhappy (or now destroyed) marriage, you probably are not very nice to your children, and I can't see how you would manage success at work.

The point of being a fan is to struggle and suffer with the team while they build up to the success. If you hop in after they've found the success, you have missed the most rewarding part of being a fan, and you won't taste the sweetness of victory in the same way. I ask you again, why are you here?

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't know about this one.


I mean Lucic is slower then molasses and his hands are gone.



But as of now, he's a bit cheaper then Neal, and we get a pick out of it.


This comes down to the effect of the NMC and if he has to be protected in the expansion draft. But I don't think he does.


I had high hopes for Neal, and thought I would be ok if he got another kick at the can. But the Flames had plenty of scoring without him.



If this creates an ahole line with Bennett and Lucic, then I'm ok with that, the Flames need way more abrasion in their lineup. We saw too much non response from this team when the action got heavy.


Its to me not a great trade or a good trade . . . but it is a trade and it might shake up the locker room a bit and give the Flames less physical players a little bit more courage.


Plus the Oilers are paying over 6 million bucks a year for Neal basically.

[Ashasx]

You can only save 900K by putting a 1 way contract in the minors.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why spend time on Calgarypuck then?

For the Off-Topic board, lots of good discussions there. I've barely clicked on the hockey side since the playoffs ended, apart from today's insanity

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Sorry but I'm done getting emotionally invested in this franchise when all they do is lose when the games really matter. If they can actually win a round in the playoffs next year I'll start paying attention again, but until that happens I don't see the point

Cool story bro. Assume we won’t be seeing any more post from you either at least not about the Flames until that happens?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You can only save 900K by putting a 1 way contract in the minors.

I believe it's 1.1 million now. Which isn't nothing, especially if by burying the player you're making your team better.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

If the everyone thought Neal was bad here last year, wait until we get 82 games of Milan Lucic.

All about expectations. I expected Neal to be an average NHLer, and he never came close. I expect Lucic to be brutal, so there's a good chance he meets those expectations.

[FlamesAreOne]

Neal did not like playing in Calgary, I can't imagine his mindset when he plays in Edmonton.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by stang

All I have to say is this....


HELL YEAH!!

I’ll have to chance my profile pic now

Your team is still no good. And Neal's play will now match his team.