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02-03-2016, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
I really hope this Wideman suspension doesn't make Treliving decide to keep Russell instead of trading him at the deadline.
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I'm not even sure he's on the market, barring some team over paying for him.
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02-03-2016, 05:02 PM
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#462
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First Line Centre
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Uh oh...
Rick Westhead @rwesthead
The NHL's heralded concussion protocol in the Dennis Wideman case wasn't followed. The concussion spotter called down to the Calgary bench.
Source: According to the NHL protocol, Wideman should then have been taken to quiet, distraction-free place & examined by doctor. He wasn't.
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02-03-2016, 05:03 PM
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#463
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by zyzz
CP kills me, so many butt hurt grown men, super upset. 20 games is great,
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I wish we were all as wise and mature as you are, then maybe we would understand. Maybe you can be our guide on this journey?
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02-03-2016, 05:05 PM
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#464
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by united
Uh oh...
Rick Westhead @rwesthead
The NHL's heralded concussion protocol in the Dennis Wideman case wasn't followed. The concussion spotter called down to the Calgary bench.
Source: According to the NHL protocol, Wideman should then have been taken to quiet, distraction-free place & examined by doctor. He wasn't.
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The bad PR I mentioned previously.
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02-03-2016, 05:06 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by united
Uh oh...
Rick Westhead @rwesthead
The NHL's heralded concussion protocol in the Dennis Wideman case wasn't followed. The concussion spotter called down to the Calgary bench.
Source: According to the NHL protocol, Wideman should then have been taken to quiet, distraction-free place & examined by doctor. He wasn't.
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No surprise there. It is decidedly optimistic to expect a team to take one of their important players out of the lineup in a game they think is itself important. Disappointed the Flames didn't do the right thing, but not surprised. The league needs to give the spotter the power to force the player into the concussion protocol against the team and player's will.
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02-03-2016, 05:07 PM
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First Line Centre
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TSN's sports law analyst:
Eric Macramalla @EricOnSportsLaw
Assuming suspension is appealed expect NHLPA to rely on headshot to explain uncharacteristic contact made by Wideman.
NHLPA may pull out all the stops, including scientific evidence that could explain why Wideman did what he did following headshot thereby obviating deliberate contact.
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02-03-2016, 05:10 PM
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They official was dropping the puck two minutes later and he is the one who is supposedly in the hospital all night and still injured.
Maybe someone should be watching the officials
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02-03-2016, 05:11 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
> 90 per cent of fans and hockey watchers outside Calgary think Wideman's hit was intentional. Please give me some rational explanation why that figure would be any different for Calgary fans if Wideman was playing for the Hurricanes.
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Citation needed for your first sentence. The rest is irrelevant. What 90% of the rest of the hockey world and 50% of the Flames hockey world think or don't think has zero bearing on what I think. You're so smart and powerful and not a homer, why can't the same be true for me, even though we disagree? Look at all the posts in here glad that he's off the roster. No one likes Wideman - we barely like the Flames right now. Homerism doesn't enter into it for me and it's insulting and flabbergastingly lazy to imply otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I can only surmise that fans are either bi-polar or it's just a sign of the internet times that people love to be outraged. I could quote hundreds of posts from fans at this site asking for Wideman to be benched, traded, banished to the AHL. This isn't a small group of fans as almost everyone here is guilty of saying something along these lines this season including me.
Fast forward and the guy gets a 20 game suspension that most in the hockey world have deemed fair and the same fans that wanted him anywhere but on the Flames bench are outraged like someone just robbed the Flames of a chance to win the Stanley Cup.
The decision has been made and barring an appeal it is what it is. Time to look forward to tonight's game and the rest of the season.
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Odd post. Why can't a person want Wideman off the roster and also feel that the punishment is too harsh? Do you have such a black in white world view that you believe one can't look at a scenario objectively without consideration of how much they like the person in question? Who is talking about the Stanley Cup? Has anyone in this thread or the other seriously objected to a suspension because it makes the Flames a worse team? I've read way too many of the posts in here and I've seen none.
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02-03-2016, 05:12 PM
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Suspension will be reduced by a third party...PA just needs to show other incidents that got ZERO games and compare to others in history that have gotten lower amounts. You can't just decide to one day "send a message"
The NHL is so chicken #### here they put it in somebody else's hands
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02-03-2016, 05:14 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Willie Mitchell @Willie_Mitch33
Feel bad for Wideman.Clearly not himself going to bench & puts hands up as he runs into someone(ref)no intent @FriedgeHNIC #rule40.3 or less
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02-03-2016, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dino7c
They official was dropping the puck two minutes later and he is the one who is supposedly in the hospital all night and still injured.
Maybe someone should be watching the officials
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And, it just had to be this month right after that concussion movie with Will Smith comes out, that a otherwise NHL vet with 800+ games and a clean score card randomly clocks (took those words from another post earlier) a linesman for no reason... what a mess. Right after all the John Scott drama (/ feel good story?) too.
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02-03-2016, 05:22 PM
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While this doesn't look good on the Flames, players on all teams go to the bench shaken up all the time without being taken to the back.
Not saying it's a best practice, but an industry standard practice that should change. Just as Wideman is being singled out for an incident not very different than several others, I hope the Flames aren't singled out in the same way.
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02-03-2016, 05:27 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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Looks like this is the NHLPA's medical evidence:
Rick Westhead @rwesthead
After the game, Wideman was diagnosed with a concussion by the Flames team doctor: source
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02-03-2016, 05:35 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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02-03-2016, 05:39 PM
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A Fiddler Crab
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Originally Posted by united
Uh oh...
Rick Westhead @rwesthead
The NHL's heralded concussion protocol in the Dennis Wideman case wasn't followed. The concussion spotter called down to the Calgary bench.
Source: According to the NHL protocol, Wideman should then have been taken to quiet, distraction-free place & examined by doctor. He wasn't.
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This has been my issue all along. If Wideman was in fact "woozy" the concussion protocol should have been followed.
The fact that it was not followed, particularly if the "concussion spotter" - and I'm not sure who this person is, an NHL employee? A Flames employee? - called the bench for Wideman to undergo the protocol and this call was ignored, I would be very, very okay with members of the coaching staff, up to and including Hartley, getting fired over this.
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02-03-2016, 05:40 PM
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The nhl looks worse on this than the dumb John Scott fiasco imo.
Widemans wtf moment
Then the refs are out for blood
Then a suspension that seems to say 'we can't decide what happened but people are pissy so we'll just react to that'
And now a concussion drama
Apparently the last week to think this one through still wasn't enough.
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02-03-2016, 05:43 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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From the NHL suspension video:
NHL acknowledges Wideman being concussed but says that doesn't excuse his action
Wideman by his own admission refuses medical treatment multiple times
Wideman showed awareness by tapping his stick on the ice to alert his team mates that he is coming off the ice
Wideman deliberately hit the linesman with force, wasn't accident
Last edited by sureLoss; 02-03-2016 at 05:50 PM.
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02-03-2016, 05:43 PM
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Franchise Player
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Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Looks like this is the NHLPA's medical evidence:
Rick Westhead @rwesthead
After the game, Wideman was diagnosed with a concussion by the Flames team doctor: source
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Well isn't that convenient... Sounds shady to me but I guess we will never know.
Last edited by dissentowner; 02-03-2016 at 05:48 PM.
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02-03-2016, 05:45 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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It's interesting that the NHL intentionally avoids showing alternate video angles which make the incident look much less severe. No matter which side you take, you can't just look at half the "evidence".
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