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Old 08-07-2015, 06:54 PM   #461
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Change for changes sake isn't a very logical decision...

I'm willing to go with unknown/possible positive over known disaster. More than willing.


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Old 08-07-2015, 07:02 PM   #462
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I won't vote for Harper because of his:

Anti-Science agenda
Anti-immigrant agenda
Anti - crime agenda
Targeting tax cuts at those least in need
Failure to get pipelines built both nationally and internationally

I think in all but the last point others would do better.

I'm scared of Muclair because he can sacrifice Alberta for votes in the rest of Canada, Trudeau I want to read the platform first but traditionally the liberals are as close to fiscally conservative, socially liberal as we can get.
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i'm more scared of Trudeau sacrificing Alberta than I am Mulclair.

Much, much more scared of Trudeau
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What exactly will he sacrifice?

The crime bill will cost Canada more than any environmental policy ever will. And somehow people just stick their heads in the sand over that issue.
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i'm more scared of Trudeau sacrificing Alberta than I am Mulclair.

Much, much more scared of Trudeau

Because his last name is Trudeau or for another reason? He acknowledged the role of the oil sands economically and seemed pretty reasonable on that from what I heard last night. I don't think I could say the same for Mulcair.


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Old 08-07-2015, 07:46 PM   #466
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Post #426 in this thread is an example of why.
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I know Albertans are going to hate to hear it, but considering the way the world is going with fossil fuels and the rise of solar power and all that good stuff, shouldn't we be concerned as a country that our energy policy is outdated? Perhaps we should already be looking at being leaders in other energy fields than just oil?

Not saying the US, India or China is going to stop buying our oil anytime soon, but why can't we lead the world in other areas? Geothermal, nuclear, wind, solar, etc, etc? We have 2-3 generations of brilliant engineers that have been working on our 'how to get oil out of the oil sands' problem. Why can't those people work on something better?

Seems to me like we're sticking all our eggs into one basket.
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sticking eggs in one basket, or selling an asset while it's value is high?
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Well I'm certainly not saying we shouldn't be going all in on oil while we still can....
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fair.

and from my perspective the Liberals would be a much more palatable alternative to what has become a complacent Conservative Party if they had someone like Garneau as leader.

It is also wearing very thin hearing credible, intelligent, practical, well intended small "L" liberals cover for J. Trudeau. "What Justin really meant was...."

End it and give me an alternative.
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Is anyone here fully fluent in French and able to comment on the video in post #426? My French is very basic but I think there were some liberties taken with the translation.
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Is anyone here fully fluent in French and able to comment on the video in post #426? My French is very basic but I think there were some liberties taken with the translation.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trud...rper-1.1203056

That contains Trudeau's apology.

He said it, but said he only meant it for people like Stephen Harper - you know, the ones who think Alberta should use their opportunities to be the economic engine for the country.

MacLeans called it right:

One pander too many.

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/otta...nder-too-many/
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Doesn't even matter what he said, that mustache should be enough to disqualify him from leading a G7 country. Looks like he was auditioning for a part in a 3 musketeers play.

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WTF are you talking about? I'm talking about a decision-making process... no one has a crystal ball, but voting decisions, ideally, are based on a rational evaluation of what policies you think will have the best results and what party platform best adheres to that. It's not about punishing a leader or party because you think they're smug and cynical. This is not a popularity contest.
Well your post was talking about the consequences of who we elect, and really that's my point; we have no idea which of the parties will be best in advance. It's all rhetoric.

I did laugh at your last line though. An election is pretty much the definition of a popularity contest.
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Let's just make a list of all the good things The Harper Government has done since being in office.

That shouldn't be that hard, right? It's been nearly a decade.

Actively seeks out and signs free trade agreements. That's something I believe in.

Lowered GST
Increased funding for sport and athletes.
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Actively seeks out and signs free trade agreements. That's something I believe in.

Lowered GST
Increased funding for sport and athletes.
TFSA's
Reno tax credits
Mortgage and lending rules (fixed a mistake but still)
Closing the income trust loop hole disaster the liberals wouldn't touch
Income splitting
lowered corporate taxes

No one's going to care about this stuff though 'cause haters gonna hate.
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An election is pretty much the definition of a popularity contest.
I suddenly understand why you post in the manner you do in political threads.
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Actively seeks out and signs free trade agreements. That's something I believe in.

Lowered GST
Increased funding for sport and athletes.
That was such a short sighted move simply to pander to voters, and it definitely worked on that front. But it did incredible damage to the Canadian economy and made the recession after '08 much worse than it needed to be. Harper has been running deficits ever since, whereas if he simply reversed the GST cut it would have eliminated the deficit for the last few years

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That was such a short sighted move simply to pander to voters, and it definitely worked on that front. But it did incredible damage to the Canadian economy and made the recession after '08 much worse than it needed to be. Harper has been running deficits ever since, whereas if he simply reversed the GST cut it would have eliminated the deficit for the last few years

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle10271589/
It's interesting when you think about it. Analysts suggest the GST cut cost the government about 7 billion per percentage cut. At the debate the one thing the opposition partys were going on about during the economic portion was the 150 billion dollar debt the conservatives have rung up. Not cutting the GST would have covered the vast majority of that.

What bought them votes years ago could end up costing them this election.
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I won't vote for Harper because of his:


Anti-immigrant agenda
Care to explain? Canada has had more immigrants during Harper's tenure by a large margin from what I've seen.

If you are talking about the TFW program, I understand there are problems there in particular. Otherwise I'm not sure I get the complaint.
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