2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by robaur

Johansen playing 12:24 last night on the 4th line. Been like that for 3-4 games now.

Lol can you imagine Hartley doing that to Monahan early this year ?

Columbus would be silly to trade him before the summer unless they think his okay is going to deteriorate and kill his once sky high value. If they decide to move him in season it will be a very tough trade to make but there will no shortage of suitors.

If Colimbus makes the trade at the draft they can get the pick they likely want and basically offer Johansen to the whole league. If done now I expect a trade of spare roster players, decent prospects and a 1st or 2nd round pick (like Kessel).

[nik-]

Siding with Tortorella on this is just odd. It's not like we didn't just witness him do the same thing in Vancouver.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by robaur

If your teams future is tied to someone, you sure hope as hell they get through it by playing them 20 mins a night. Not scapegoating them in the media, benching them, and making them play 4th line minutes.

Ryan has had rumors of attitudes and being lazy long before any of this happened. Benched in 2013 AHL playoffs after a season of people questioning his commitment issues. Last season he holds out and comes to camp out of shape. This season, while potentially due to health issues, comes to camp out of shape again.

And you want to reward him with 20 minutes a night? Nah, that's Oilerseque.

[Badgers Nose]

Good coaches can usually fix bad attitudes. Torts is not a good coach, he is a sideshow.

Put me in the camp that says RJ does a Seguin.

I think the league knows BJs will be selling him low, so I bet lots of teams are interested.

Flames have no leaks. It would not surprise me to see them pick him up Hamilton style.

[robaur]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Ryan has had rumors of attitudes and being lazy long before any of this happened. Benched in 2013 AHL playoffs after a season of people questioning his commitment issues. Last season he holds out and comes to camp out of shape. This season, while potentially due to health issues, comes to camp out of shape again.

And you want to reward him with 20 minutes a night? Nah, that's Oilerseque.

If you don't think you can fix an attitude problem, then your organization needs to cut ties with the individual. In hockey, that's usually done by trades.

Benching, scapegoating, negativity has no place in discipline or are even remotely effective. They do the opposite...they alienate the individual, and make them perform worse.

So if you can't change the individual while they are performing their regular job duties....for Johansen. ..it's 20 minutes a night....then you have to trade him. It's not Oileresque behavior. Their problem is something completely different.

You don't demote a lawyer to being a mailing clerk in order to adjust his attitude. You fire him.

Seems like Columbus as an organization needs to take a course in personal management and conflict resolution.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by robaur

If you don't think you can fix an attitude problem, then your organization needs to cut ties with the individual. In hockey, that's usually done by trades.

Benching, scapegoating, negativity has no place in discipline or are even remotely effective. They do the opposite...they alienate the individual, and make them perform worse.

So if you can't change the individual while they are performing their regular job duties....for Johansen. ..it's 20 minutes a night....then you have to trade him. It's not Oileresque behavior. Their problem is something completely different.

You don't demote a lawyer to being a mailing clerk in order to adjust his attitude. You fire him.

Seems like Columbus as an organization needs to take a course in personal management and conflict resolution.

The whole hockey world in general. A lot of these management types are former players and they know one way to solve conflict.

An OHL team in the past couple years I believe, suspended a player for smoking weed and then called him out in the media. He committed suicide the following weekend.

You've got this Johansen thing where he has a heart condition which limited his summer training and his coach punishing him and GM looking to trade him like it's his fault.

You have the P'oS situation with Tambellini where he just stared blankly and did not respond to a request to get help for emotional reasons, and traded him soon after. I know LOLOilers and such but it's pretty indicative of hockey culture as a whole.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Why does anyone want to move Engelland? I don't get it.

He's easily playing up to his contract in my mind.

Originally Posted by bigbadboss101

I agree. We don't want people beating up on our little guys, and big guys who plays small.

He's a beast downlow. Very nasty. Wideman tries but usually takes a penalty or actually wins the puck then promptly turns it over with his patented back hander out of the zone.

Engalland is exactly the kind of 6/7 dman all teams are looking for in the playoffs.

Including the Flames if they move him.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Good coaches can usually fix bad attitudes. Torts is not a good coach, he is a sideshow.

Put me in the camp that says RJ does a Seguin.

I think the league knows BJs will be selling him low, so I bet lots of teams are interested.

Flames have no leaks. It would not surprise me to see them pick him up Hamilton style.

If he's available at the draft, I can totally see it too. Granlund is showing his top 6 instinct and proving he's responsible in his own end. Reason I'm saying this is he's likely the only guy to get displaced by bringing on RJ.

Backlund is looking like an odd man out. However, He would make a great 3rd line C for a team that is 2 centers deep. So why would the Flames move him in the event RJ came on.

It's an interesting situation that could really change this franchise. Question is, does the RJ with attitude issues and fitness concerns tarnish the locker room and create a divide or does he relish the opportunity to go to a team that could make a serious run with him.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by robaur

If you don't think you can fix an attitude problem, then your organization needs to cut ties with the individual. In hockey, that's usually done by trades.

Well, that's why there's speculation that Columbus is trying to trade him.

But I disagree, you don't give him 20 minutes a night. Not entirely because that's what's good or not good for him, but because of the team. Imagine you're a player who works out all summer, comes to camp to play, buys into the coaches system, does what's asked, and then you have an out of shape teammate with a poor attitude who's underperforming getting 20 minutes a night? You're not going to be happy for good reason. There's a reason that most teams with success have some sort of "always earned" mantra.

I also disagree that it's always necessary to cut ties with players. 23 years of age may not be too old to instill into someone the virtues of hard-work and dedication. There's just 0 chance of that happening if you're giving him 20 minutes a night and telling him how awesome he is. Bench him, criticize him, he has to learn someway.

Originally Posted by saillias

You've got this Johansen thing where he has a heart condition which limited his summer training and his coach punishing him and GM looking to trade him like it's his fault.

That's Johansen's excuse but this isn't the first time his conditioning has been challenged. He has a well documented past with rumours of laziness and attitude problems.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

If he's available at the draft, I can totally see it too. Granlund is showing his top 6 instinct and proving he's responsible in his own end. Reason I'm saying this is he's likely the only guy to get displaced by bringing on RJ.

Backlund is looking like an odd man out. However, He would make a great 3rd line C for a team that is 2 centers deep. So why would the Flames move him in the event RJ came on.

It's an interesting situation that could really change this franchise. Question is, does the RJ with attitude issues and fitness concerns tarnish the locker room and create a divide or does he relish the opportunity to go to a team that could make a serious run with him.

I could see the Penguins being interested in Backlund.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by heep223

I could see the Penguins being interested in Backlund.

For whom? our biggest need right now seems to be top 2 RW. Or a goalie (though ramo has been good of late)

[heep223]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

For whom? our biggest need right now seems to be top 2 RW. Or a goalie (though ramo has been good of late)

Perron and a pick? He's only 27. Adds some grit, decent 2nd liner, can play both sides. Think he plays PK as well. Doesn't solve the need for a top line RW but I think that it would make the team better. Move Colborne to C: Monahan, Granlund, Stajan/Colborne/Jooris.

Backlund would give the Pens a reliable 2-way 3rd line C which they have desperately needed since they traded away Staal.

Just spit balling - could see Granlund making Backlund expendable in order to upgrade top 6 wings.

[Hackey]

I like Perron but isn't he a free agent next year? Might end up being a rental which wouldn't be very good asset mangement.

[dash_pinched]

To me, David Perron is a younger (and poorer) version of Alexi Kovalev - Skilled, but lazy. I think he would drive most CP posters crazy within a month.

[codynw]

David Perron wears a tinted visor do not want.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

To me, David Perron is a younger (and poorer) version of Alexi Kovalev - Skilled, but lazy. I think he would drive most CP posters crazy within a month.

You would get the same production out of Perron that you get out of a healthy Jones. I have no problem trading any of our 'tradable' guys away for picks and prospects, as our internal options have the potential to be Perron only cheaper. Trading defence, I would actually prefer picks coming back.

It would have to be a special player, or a player on an expiring contract, for me to consider getting behind an NHLer coming back in a trade, at this point in the teams development.

Felt I needed to reply though, because Kovolev was a wizard with the puck. Not a good comparable for Perron. Kovolev was..... lazy Hossa?

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Felt I needed to reply though, because Kovolev was a wizard with the puck. Not a good comparable for Perron. Kovolev was..... lazy Hossa?

That's why I put in the poorer qualifier, as you are correct, Kovalev was indeed a wizard with the puck, you just didn't know if he was going to show up (like Perron, who is skilled, just not as skilled as Kovalev).

Hossa has worked his butt off his entire career, he's having a tough campaign this season though, maybe he's nearing the end?

[dash_pinched]

I will always like Kovalev for the following though...

[stemit14]

Kovalev's comparable is a lazy Datsyuk.


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[Harry Lime]

Turned on a bit of the Toronto game, and had to wonder if the Hiller for Bernier speculation from before the trade freeze is still valid.

The one thing that I noticed is that the Toronto defense is closer to Oilers quality than Predators. Bernier would undoubtedly look better behind the Calgary defense. And the numbers that he has been putting up since coming back from conditioning has not endeared him to the Toronto fans. His stock doesn't have any shine to it. Calgary could even slip something by the Leaf braintrust in the unloading of contracts, that would conceivably make the Leafs better anyway.

Is the interest still there? Include Wideman for Polak and a pick to clear room? Do it just so our Polak can buy the jersey?