CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

He sent me a post at 4:13 saying that he had a couple of ideas on a couple of people that he wanted to investigate. That's it?

Would you say he is the leader in this or is it more of collaboration between you two?

Originally Posted by Timbo

Would you say he is the leader in this or is it more of collaboration between you two?

What kind of question is that?

[Oling_Roachinen]

My invite does expire at 5 pm today. If #### hits the fan prior to that, I might extremely reluctantly be willing to accept if town is nearing an unwinnable position.

If there's no decision and no crazy actions, I will let it expire.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

What kind of question is that?

A sensitive one it seems.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Would you say he is the leader in this or is it more of collaboration between you two?

I would think that starseed is more the thinker out of the two of them. Puxlut seems more reactionary and emotional, no offense Puxlut.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I would think that starseed is more the thinker out of the two of them. Puxlut seems more reactionary and emotional, no offense Puxlut.

I agree, that is why I think starseed is the best vote here.

[Hockeyguy15]

I would be willing to vote starseed or Puxlut at this point, I just want to hear Drury's thoughts.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I would think that starseed is more the thinker out of the two of them. Puxlut seems more reactionary and emotional, no offense Puxlut.

No offence taken. I blame it on the ovaries.
If we are town, why would you want to get rid of the thinker?

And at least give SS a chance to post.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I agree, that is why I think starseed is the best vote here.

I agree with the Starseed vote, especially since he's joined the Eternals, but I don't agree that he's the better choice because he's the "thinker."

What does that really matter? If they are mafia, it doesn't really matter who gets voted out as it will be 5 against 1 heading into the night. Starseed wouldn't be able to think his way out of that one. If anything we should leave him around, like Puxlut said, because he's the thinker and if they are town it's of benefit to us. Not to mention he also has the Eternals power, whatever that may be, to potentially use for town benefit.

I'm more afraid that Puxlut is the Godfather/invitation sender/whatever else and might have another trick up her sleeve that could stop her from being lynched or something, but that's probably over-thinking things. I would be okay with either one really.

[Drury18]

There's probably a bit of overthinking here but one thing kept bothering me about Pux and Starseed. The Mason's claim. Mason's are normally town. But I started looking through things and I'm not so sure they are Mason's.

Wood early on questioned Starseed about the Mason thing. This was his response:

Originally Posted by starseed

I do not know what they MOT2 was getting at, but it seems to me like they are saying it may be a way for the dead to give us info. That info being who killed them.

Originally Posted by Wood

Are you guys supposed to be masons? Why are you not on the same page?

Originally Posted by starseed

I was going to reveal about the vote thing, and MOT2 was going to reveal the dead investigation thing. We didnt specifically state what we were going to say.

Doesn't seem very mason-ey. In fact, I think we've caught a few additional times where people who should be acting like Mason's, only sort of know where the other one is. Not denying they can talk to each other, but I don't think it Mason's. I think it might be scum forum. Puxlut's comments today make me lean even more that way. No Pux, you aren't his mother. You are supposed to be his partner and yet you don't talk to each other about important things? If I was a Mason, the partner would know everything. If I was a Mason, I wouldn't be worried about having the "Thinker" around because I would have the information they had, had the spreadsheet they had and be an extension of them. I don't see that with you two at all.

I'm still strongly feeling Starseed over Puxlut. And I'm sorry for the weird wording, but to me it's a matter of disarming him because I don't think we can trust him. Prior to having the Eternal's power, he mentioned his actual power was a one shot. I can't recall him using it. Not in the open anyway. I think he has two powers right now that we don't know what they are.

Originally Posted by starseed

I am not going to reveal my ability, but I will say that it is a decent one shot ability. I want to wait until later in the game to use it.

There's also some earlier posts from before we knew Pux was the other "mason". Sort of contradicts the fact both are now Eternals. IN addition to the fact his partner is an Eternal, told everyone else to avoid them because their powers don't work and been very outspoken against them. He's also used the mason thing to withhold information and to get the attention off the groups:

Originally Posted by starseed

We did not receive notice that our vote was redirected onto Matt or ECF. I thought it was a coincidence too. The first PM of the day from MOT2 was to point out that once again our vote was on a killed townie.

MOT 2 is not a guardian or eternal. We are not rooting for one side or the other. We know we are both 100% town.

IIRC MOT2 also brought up the possibility of there being one killer - the masterhand. I do not know what to make of it.

Originally Posted by starseed

I want to be careful about how much I reveal, but I will reveal that together we share the ability to vote. We then each have one personal ability. Knowing who killed whom could help us determine a strategy of the killers. It might be able to help us find patterns that lead to them. Yeah, the mafia do the night kills - I don't understand why you are asking that? Like I said, we have not been informed that our votes are being redirected. I tend to think the eternals votes are unrelated, but that is just a theory at this point. I decided to reveal now because the town was getting distracted, and I wanted to help get us back on track early in the day. Plus, I was going to reveal some numbers related to my spreadsheet, but ended up not including it because they assumed my partner was town, and so the numbers could possibly lead to my partner. Ultra paranoia.

We've also got confirmed scum defending the MOT saying they will probably have better guesses and we should wait until then:

Originally Posted by Aeneas

Granted I have not managed to click on the twilight links, but I think the MOT information is no different than information we get from players in the game.

I think it is just two people who likely played in the last game(s) who did not get into this one.

They are reading everything and making guesses. There have been hints that they will have better information in the future, but until that time their guesses should hold no more weight than anyone elses.

All that being said, I think they may finally be right on GGG!

[Drury18]

The other thing I wanted to toss in:

I went to look up their roles.

Typically, you'd think dead investigator is coroner/forensics investigator, which is town aligned. But Pux hasn't provided answers consistant with how this role works based on Mazrim's link. http://mafiawiki.notesmash.org/wiki/...c_Investigator She should see names of all people who targeted the dead player, not just the faction. Plus, they've all come up Darkness and the one we were curious about came up as failed. Convenient. We also can't seem to get a tracker or watcher to confirm anything she's done. Reading up further on this, the watcher/tracker should get back something showing they did nothing or no crime was committed. Not have it deflected or fail.

I also have trouble figuring how Mazrim shoehorned Bowser into a coroner. Most of us had roles that made sense to our character. I've played ALOT of Mario Brothers in my day and Bowser is a large, powerful guy. Not a FI. Arson actually made more sense for him since he breathes fire as a way to kill Mario. Which go figure, Pux's Eternal's power was a scum role: http://mafiawiki.notesmash.org/wiki/Arsonist The other thing Bowser does is stomp or throw hammers (or kidnap Princesses...). Again, very violent roles.

I'm starting to wonder if we don't actually have Puxlut's real role.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

We also can't seem to get a tracker or watcher to confirm anything she's done. Reading up further on this, the watcher/tracker should get back something showing they did nothing or no crime was committed. Not have it deflected or fail.

Originally Posted by formulate

Strange part is my investigation is meant to come back light, not be blocked. Curses. Sorry not sorry Drury

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I was not notifed of anything but that I couldn't track Formulate.

Who was apparently standing right behind me! If he is to be believed.

Originally Posted by formulate

Oh right tracking not investigation. Oops, that would do it.

Formulate seemed to suggest that investigations would be blocked on him, if we assume that the Godfather has a similar power it starts to make sense why the two 'tracking' results on her (HG15 and Timbo) seemed to just fail.

The one thing that has me pretty convinced is just how defensive Girlysports was of Starseed early on. I mean more than a couple suspected her of being MOT2 before Puxlut was revealed (and that only happened after she said she was saved that night).

Then even Aeneas, who almost seemed to have taken the opposite approach of Girlysports when it came to Starseed even seem to defend the 'masons' a bit in this post:

Originally Posted by Aeneas

There seems to be a real move by a few people against Starseed and Puxlut.

Odd the three people in question: Rathji, Dissentowner, and squiggs have been at each others throats about being mafia. All this since the There is scum in the Guardians message.

I am not saying we shouldn't be wary of the only two people who can communicate with each other, just seems like a concerted effort to me.

Vote: Dissentowner

Have they just been trying to frame Starseed since like day 2?

And then there's still this:

Originally Posted by starseed

We are into the third day, so I think I am just going to vote. Bizarro and baxter are a bit too inactive, so I am randomly going to pick one.

Vote: bizaro86

Just a really bad coincidence?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Formulate seemed to suggest that investigations would be blocked on him, if we assume that the Godfather has a similar power it starts to make sense why the two 'tracking' results on her (HG15 and Timbo) seemed to just fail.

Tracking investigations, not cop investigations.

Also my invite has expired. It was a day kill that, according to the message (of which I'm not sure we can trust) would not kill anyone innocent in the murders of GGG and Rathji.

Typically, you would get a list of names if you were a Forensic Investigator, but if you read the rest of the sentence "The extent and power of this ability depends on the moderator that made the role" Maybe Maz wanted to limit the info I got because I already had 1 other power, being a Mason. The power of death investigating was called Dry Bones. Which I'm sure Mazrim tied into Dry Bowser and Dry Koopas.
My character has nothing to do with whether I'm town or mafia. Remember the beginning of the game? It's just flavour and was randomly selected.

I don't know how often mafia talk in their scum rooms, but for SS and myself, we talked when we had a theory, sometimes it would be hours before either of us would get back to each other.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Just curious but how many posts do you have in your mason room Puxlut?

It's not a room. We PM.
Do the mafia have a room?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

It's not a room. We PM.
Do the mafia have a room?

Alright was trying to see if I could catch you there hah

I assume the mafia have a room, hard to pm multiple people I would imagine.

[Hockeyguy15]

The Mafia do have a thread, same site as the twilight threads. That whole star by Timbo's name in twilight fiasco.

[Hockeyguy15]

Also looking back starseed also had a star beside his name, before the MOT reveal.

Probably nothing but he didn't reveal himself as MOT when that happened.