2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

20 more goals and 10 less isn't out of the question with the years Lindholm, Mangiapane and Hubderdeau had.

That puts us at 280 goals for and 240 against 2nd best goals against in the division and 3rd best goal differential. You're in the playoffs with those numbers and probably competing for 2nd in the division.

Even a 2% increase in our PP puts us at 21.8% middle in the league, and we misused Huberdeau one of the top PP players in the league.

These are not even absurd numbers just small increases and you are looking at the team in the mix again.

I agree but that 2% increase in PP is a net increase. It's actually a 10% increase in year over year numbers, which is actually quite a bit.

To achieve that, I think Calgary needs a PP specialist on the back end.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

The problem here is you can’t airlift a magical save percentage to cure the team’s problems. There is causation in the flames strategy and quality chances given up that led to that save percentage.

It’s too simple to say the flames were a 100 pt team with better goaltending last year. The issues ran much deeper.

well I don't think they gave up that great of scoring chances...the goaltending was just really bad

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

We are talking about whether Hubredeau and the other guys we are forced to keep will be enough to keep us in the 5-10 range versus the 1-5 range.

Also keeping him does nothing but get us maybe an extra game in round 1. We aren't debating rebuilding or competing it is rebuilding or being mediocre. Esy decision between those 2 things.

Sorry, this another post that contradicts itself.

If we keep Huberdeau, is your opinion that we're going to draft in the 5-10 range? Or the 17-23 range? Because that's a pretty big difference and you're saying both.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

The problem here is you can’t airlift a magical save percentage to cure the team’s problems. There is causation in the flames strategy and quality chances given up that led to that save percentage.

It’s too simple to say the flames were a 100 pt team with better goaltending last year. The issues ran much deeper.

Do you think those deeper issues are likely to continue next year?

Markstrom 2021-22: .922
Markstrom 2022-23: .892

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Do you think those deeper issues are likely to continue next year?

Markstrom 2021-22: .922
Markstrom 2022-23: .892

Brand new coaching staff and an entire offseason to sort out the roster. How could we possibly know now?

Markstrom had a rotten year. It's undisputable though the issues ran deeper. We all watched the team, right?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Brand new coaching staff and an entire offseason to sort out the roster. How could we possibly know now?

Markstrom had a rotten year. It's undisputable though the issues ran deeper. We all watched the team, right?

Agreed.

I think there’s a lot more reason to believe Markstrom, and others, bounce back opposed to believing that last year is what we should expect moving forward.

Depending on a Lindholm and Backlund extension plus what the return for Hanifin might turn out to be, I think we could be a lot closer to the 2021-2022 flames opposed to the 2022-2023 Flames.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Brand new coaching staff and an entire offseason to sort out the roster. How could we possibly know now?

Markstrom had a rotten year. It's undisputable though the issues ran deeper. We all watched the team, right?

I watched almost every game....I think they were really good at defending

goaltending, finishing, and coaching in terms of time on ice for certain players/situations were the big issues

IMO

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

well its obvious...even if Markstrom was .910 this season the Flames would have been well over 100 points

Again the Flames had 93 points (more than the cup finalist) with all these things going wrong, one goal games an OTs

again you are just the hater of all things Flames

now "Wolf won't be as good as fans think"

you want to tank for top picks...and they you will say "they aren't that good"


Your post history is an absolute embarrassment, you need a new hobby guy

This kind of comment is not called for and lessens your supposed expertise.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Teroy

This kind of comment is not called for and lessens your supposed expertise.

The poster has already been banned...you obviously don't follow his posting style


and if you are an actual fan who is that negative about the team you are supposedly a fan of...it can't be much fun

this is supposed to be fun, its a dumb game. I suggest anyone that miserable about a game get a new hobby because this one isn't healthy

[Roof-Daddy]

"If Huberdeau had 115 points next year, Markstrom had a .935 save percentage and Kadri had 30 goals / 60 points the Flames would finish with 83 points at the most cuz flames suck and i'm a reality-ist, anyone who disagrees is deluded LOLOL"

-spurs

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The poster has already been banned...you obviously don't follow his posting style


and if you are an actual fan who is that negative about the team you are supposedly a fan of...it can't be much fun

this is supposed to be fun, its a dumb game. I suggest anyone that miserable about a game get a new hobby because this one isn't healthy

Yes, it's supposed to be fun but it sure doesn't required criticism like some of the so called experts express here. Voice your opinion but accept those that disagree with you.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The poster has already been banned...you obviously don't follow his posting style


and if you are an actual fan who is that negative about the team you are supposedly a fan of...it can't be much fun

this is supposed to be fun, its a dumb game. I suggest anyone that miserable about a game get a new hobby because this one isn't healthy

But dino, if you don’t be nice to people who call you deluded, RandomPoster6284 will question your expertise!

Think of their opinions, man!

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I watched almost every game....I think they were really good at defending

goaltending, finishing, and coaching in terms of time on ice for certain players/situations were the big issues

IMO

Pretty basic stuff. Great post. Conroy wouldn't hire a coach if he didn't think he was going to address the issues you brought up.

Silly for some to keep looking back at what didn't happen for them and assume the Flames are doomed now. Flames are moving forward and addressing some issues.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I watched almost every game....I think they were really good at defending

goaltending, finishing, and coaching in terms of time on ice for certain players/situations were the big issues

IMO

Sutter teams are always well structured. Last season, though, for whatever reason the breakdowns were glaring. Slot chances, breakaways, odd-man rushes at rates much higher than the year before. By no means does it excuse Markstrom, but it contributed.

Finishing and coaching were definitely among the other core issues. Personnel deployment was inexplicable for most of the season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I watched almost every game....I think they were really good at defending

goaltending, finishing, and coaching in terms of time on ice for certain players/situations were the big issues

IMO

While I agree with a lot of points and think the Flames should be back in the mix if you listen to Huska he seems to speak of a lot of issues that matched the eye test.

Giving up less quality chances especially when its the first shot of the game and allowing the goalie to see the puck and make easy routine saves is something he has talked about.

Allowing the team to be more dangerous in the offensive zone as well.

We may have not given up the most high danger chances we did give up a few too many as the first few shots on net, and often from big breakdowns bad switches and chasing the puck. This often happened after we controlled the flow of play for a long stretch. Those are difficult saves to make.

I think tweaks to the system to give up less quality will allow our goalies to rebound next season to some extent.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Sutter teams are always well structured. Last season, though, for whatever reason the breakdowns were glaring. Slot chances, breakaways, odd-man rushes at rates much higher than the year before. By no means does it excuse Markstrom, but it contributed.

Finishing and coaching were definitely among the other core issues. Personnel deployment was inexplicable for most of the season.

Markstrom's overall numbers are obviously unacceptable. But there were plenty of games where he had to look at a breakaway or odd man rush as his first chance after sitting cold for 3-5 minutes. That can't be easy, especially when it starts to happen a lot. If he's already feeling the nerves, that's gotta compound it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Markstrom's overall numbers are obviously unacceptable. But there were plenty of games where he had to look at a breakaway or odd man rush as his first chance after sitting cold for 3-5 minutes. That can't be easy, especially when it starts to happen a lot. If he's already feeling the nerves, that's gotta compound it.

Went from 4th to 13th in scoring chances against, 6th to 17th in rush chances against, and 8th to 23rd in odd man rushes against.

[howard_the_duck]

^^compounded by a coach that would make you awfully uncomfortable if your performance is suffering.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Markstrom's overall numbers are obviously unacceptable. But there were plenty of games where he had to look at a breakaway or odd man rush as his first chance after sitting cold for 3-5 minutes. That can't be easy, especially when it starts to happen a lot. If he's already feeling the nerves, that's gotta compound it.

The Flames were also right at the top of the league in terms of not allowing shots against. However, they weren't really stopping the big chances against, only the easy shots by limiting opposing zone time.

Not having an additional 4ish easy shots to stop each game definitely contributed to a poor save percentage.

[Aarongavey]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...for-nashville/

ONE BOLD PREDICTION FOR THE DRAFT

Edmonton trades its second, McLeod and Yamamoto to Philadelphia for right-winger Konecny, defenceman Nick Seeler and a third-rounder.

Quite the imagination Spector has. Trade a 24 yr old former 1st rounder who is approaching bust territory and has a bad contract, a decent 3rd line center and a 2nd round pick.

For that impressive package they get a PPG 30 goal man on a good contract, a depth NHL dman who has played over 200 games and a 3rd round pick.

Seeler and Yamamoto have about the same value so basically he thinks Konecny is worth every so slightly more than Ryan McLeod.