2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Frankly I’m surprised to hear/read the lack of imagination from many of the ‘blow it up/rebuild’ cohort. Apparently there is only one way to rebuild; trade all ‘bad’ contracts at any cost and stockpile draft picks. Done. Easy.

That, or, it’s impossible to move ‘bad’ contracts and we won’t be able to recover for the next decade, so what’s the point?

Prior to last year, how many of these posters would have said the same things about Erik Karlson as they are saying about Huberdeau/Kadri/Markstrom now?

Well, IMO Karlsson's a bad example because I still wouldn't want him even after his production last season. But sure, the overall point's fine - hell, look at Bobrovsky.

The other thing is - you pit all of the pendiong UFAs up on the market at the same time and you dilute the return by flooding the market with 2 centres and 3 defencemen (plus Toffoli).

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Because Hubredeau is good enough to keep us from drafting 1st and instead getting the 5th pick overall.

I don't think Hubredeau is a bum or a bad player in anyway. I think he is a very good player. I just don't see anyway in which he is here and we have a team competing for anything more than hoping for a break to get out of the first round.

There are plenty of guys to pay if all we are worried about is making the floor while finishing as low as possible. Guys like Kadri, Coleman, Mangiapane, Markstrom are the contracts I want, big paydays for guys that won't move the needle on wins or loses, assuming the Markstrom doesn't bounce back and at his age/history I think that is unlikely.

You're holding two opposite views in your head at the same time.

Either Huberdeau is good enough to help us achieve more than mediocrity and good enough that we'll never be able to get 1st overall with him on the team, or he's not good enough to help us achieve more than mediocrity and not good enough to stop us from completely bottoming out.

If one guy, when on his game, can keep us 5 spots ahead of the worst team even with a bare-bones team around him, then one guy can keep us 5 spots ahead of any team with a proper team around him. He's either that good... or he isn't... you can't have it both ways.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You're holding two opposite views in your head at the same time.

Either Huberdeau is good enough to help us achieve more than mediocrity and good enough that we'll never be able to get 1st overall with him on the team, or he's not good enough to help us achieve more than mediocrity and not good enough to stop us from completely bottoming out.

If one guy, when on his game, can keep us 5 spots ahead of the worst team even with a bare-bones team around him, then one guy can keep us 5 spots ahead of any team with a proper team around him. He's either that good... or he isn't... you can't have it both ways.

No that isn't true he can be good enough to have us above the top 3 picks, that isn't hard when you see how bad the bad teams are and yet not be good enough to take us over the top to be a contender.

And it won't be bare bones around him because we have many deals that we can't move at all that will be here.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Frankly I’m surprised to hear/read the lack of imagination from many of the ‘blow it up/rebuild’ cohort. Apparently there is only one way to rebuild; trade all ‘bad’ contracts at any cost and stockpile draft picks. Done. Easy.

That, or, it’s impossible to move ‘bad’ contracts and we won’t be able to recover for the next decade, so what’s the point?

Prior to last year, how many of these posters would have said the same things about Erik Karlson as they are saying about Huberdeau/Kadri/Markstrom now?

Who has said done/easy?

I would say the same thing about Karlsson now, he had a great season as good as you could hope for how did that work out for where his team finished in the league?

Even if Kadri, Hubredeau and Markstrom return to their career norms that isn't enough to turn us into a contender.

What is easy to see is that mediocre teams don't win anything, that a team with an old mediocre roster and few to no quality young assets aren't going anywhere.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Spurs

No that isn't true he can be good enough to have us above the top 3 picks, that isn't hard when you see how bad the bad teams are and yet not be good enough to take us over the top to be a contender.

And it won't be bare bones around him because we have many deals that we can't move at all that will be here.

The top three picks are part of a lottery. What are we talking about here?? Whether Huberdeau prevents you from being one of the worst three teams in the league or not doesn’t matter or at least it shouldn’t if you’re the GM.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

No that isn't true he can be good enough to have us above the top 3 picks, that isn't hard when you see how bad the bad teams are and yet not be good enough to take us over the top to be a contender.

And it won't be bare bones around him because we have many deals that we can't move at all that will be here.

It's absolutely true.

How good do you think he is, honestly? Because, lottery aside, the bottom four teams were separated by 2 points. San Jose and Columbus both had guys who put up 100+ points at least once in the last two seasons.

Chicago's leading scorer by the end of the season had 40 points and they were behind Columbus. Anaheim was the worst team in the league and they don't even get to pick 1st.

If you're saying Huberdeau is going to keep us out of the bottom 3, then we're looking at least 100+ points, right? That's the argument if you want to say it's what kept San Jose out of the top three (by one point). If Huberdeau adds 40 points and the team stays as it is, we're probably looking at 290-300 goals as a team. Good for top 5, maybe top 3. That's not enough to turn a team that missed the playoffs by 2 points into a team that has a shot? OK.

All the offence aside, goaltending plays a big part. If Wolf is as good as he's supposed to be, we're not picking in the top 5 regardless. So what's your actual plan to get us down there?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It's absolutely true.

How good do you think he is, honestly? Because, lottery aside, the bottom four teams were separated by 2 points. San Jose and Columbus both had guys who put up 100+ points at least once in the last two seasons.

Chicago's leading scorer by the end of the season had 40 points and they were behind Columbus. Anaheim was the worst team in the league and they don't even get to pick 1st.

If you're saying Huberdeau is going to keep us out of the bottom 3, then we're looking at least 100+ points, right? That's the argument if you want to say it's what kept San Jose out of the top three (by one point). If Huberdeau adds 40 points and the team stays as it is, we're probably looking at 290-300 goals as a team. Good for top 5, maybe top 3. That's not enough to turn a team that missed the playoffs by 2 points into a team that has a shot? OK.

All the offence aside, goaltending plays a big part. If Wolf is as good as he's supposed to be, we're not picking in the top 5 regardless. So what's your actual plan to get us down there?

Yeah, if being in lottery contention (or Cup contention) is down to a single player it's Wolf/Markstrom, and no one else.

EDIT: in 2018 A team with Jack Eichel (at near PPG), ROR, Sam Reinhart, Evander Kane, Kyle Okposo, Robin Lehner, Linus Ullmark, Jake McCabe, etc finished dead last by 8 points and picked 1OA.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It's absolutely true.

How good do you think he is, honestly? Because, lottery aside, the bottom four teams were separated by 2 points. San Jose and Columbus both had guys who put up 100+ points at least once in the last two seasons.

Chicago's leading scorer by the end of the season had 40 points and they were behind Columbus. Anaheim was the worst team in the league and they don't even get to pick 1st.

If you're saying Huberdeau is going to keep us out of the bottom 3, then we're looking at least 100+ points, right? That's the argument if you want to say it's what kept San Jose out of the top three (by one point). If Huberdeau adds 40 points and the team stays as it is, we're probably looking at 290-300 goals as a team. Good for top 5, maybe top 3. That's not enough to turn a team that missed the playoffs by 2 points into a team that has a shot? OK.

All the offence aside, goaltending plays a big part. If Wolf is as good as he's supposed to be, we're not picking in the top 5 regardless. So what's your actual plan to get us down there?

I am not saying Hubredeau alone is keeping us out of there but him combined with the other guys that we won't be able to move will have us out of the bottom spots. I would do everything I could to give us the best shot and getting elite talent that will help us win rather than hold on to a player that may get us an extra home game in round 1.

I doubt that Wolf will be as good as Flames fans hope, and not because of anything he does but goalies seem to be voodoo and many guys who were touted to be great as youngster struggled to immediately adapt to the NHL so I think it is fair to wonder if Wolf will have the same issues transitioning to the NHL.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by TOfan

The top three picks are part of a lottery. What are we talking about here?? Whether Huberdeau prevents you from being one of the worst three teams in the league or not doesn’t matter or at least it shouldn’t if you’re the GM.

We are talking about whether Hubredeau and the other guys we are forced to keep will be enough to keep us in the 5-10 range versus the 1-5 range.

Also keeping him does nothing but get us maybe an extra game in round 1. We aren't debating rebuilding or competing it is rebuilding or being mediocre. Esy decision between those 2 things.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Who has said done/easy?

I would say the same thing about Karlsson now, he had a great season as good as you could hope for how did that work out for where his team finished in the league?

Even if Kadri, Hubredeau and Markstrom return to their career norms that isn't enough to turn us into a contender.

What is easy to see is that mediocre teams don't win anything, that a team with an old mediocre roster and few to no quality young assets aren't going anywhere.

Strongly disagree

Markstrom at .910, Huberdeau 90 points, Kadri 60+

Flames would win the division

Like you do realize they had 93 points with all these guys and others being terrible right?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Strongly disagree

Markstrom at .910, Huberdeau 90 points, Kadri 60+

Flames would win the division

Like you do realize they had 93 points with all these guys and others being terrible right?

LOL not a chance but everyone is free to have their own deluded opinions.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Spurs

LOL not a chance but everyone is free to have their own deluded opinions.

well its obvious...even if Markstrom was .910 this season the Flames would have been well over 100 points

Again the Flames had 93 points (more than the cup finalist) with all these things going wrong, one goal games an OTs

again you are just the hater of all things Flames

now "Wolf won't be as good as fans think"

you want to tank for top picks...and they you will say "they aren't that good"


Your post history is an absolute embarrassment, you need a new hobby guy

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Spurs

We are talking about whether Hubredeau and the other guys we are forced to keep will be enough to keep us in the 5-10 range versus the 1-5 range.

Also keeping him does nothing but get us maybe an extra game in round 1. We aren't debating rebuilding or competing it is rebuilding or being mediocre. Esy decision between those 2 things.

In other words if the Flames are ‘forced’ to keep Huberdeau, Kadri, Markstrom etc we can’t compete. There’s a lot to ignore here if that’s a true statement.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Spurs

LOL not a chance but everyone is free to have their own deluded opinions.

Deluded opinions? Come on man use some logic it is not hard to see. This team had 30 1 goal losses last year. A much better goalie and our top forward adding 45 more points you could cut those losses in half. They easily left 15-20 points on the table which has them near or at the top of the division.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TOfan

In other words if the Flames are ‘forced’ to keep Huberdeau, Kadri, Markstrom etc we can’t compete. There’s a lot to ignore here if that’s a true statement.

no kidding...Flames had those guys last year and they had terrible years

93 points

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Deluded opinions? Come on man use some logic it is not hard to see. This team had 30 1 goal losses last year. A much better goalie and our top forward adding 45 more points you could cut those losses in half. They easily left 15-20 points on the table which has them near or at the top of the division.

not to mention the coaching issues

proper ice time for Huberdeau will add 20 points even if he plays the same

[Paulie Walnuts]

20 more goals and 10 less isn't out of the question with the years Lindholm, Mangiapane and Hubderdeau had.

That puts us at 280 goals for and 240 against 2nd best goals against in the division and 3rd best goal differential. You're in the playoffs with those numbers and probably competing for 2nd in the division.

Even a 2% increase in our PP puts us at 21.8% middle in the league, and we misused Huberdeau one of the top PP players in the league.

These are not even absurd numbers just small increases and you are looking at the team in the mix again.

[mile]

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/ko...targets-top-40


New trade list by Seravalli. Hanifin at #8 and Vladar at #23


Says there’s been no firm or final decision made on a Hanifin extension yet

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, IMO Karlsson's a bad example because I still wouldn't want him even after his production last season. But sure, the overall point's fine - hell, look at Bobrovsky.

The other thing is - you pit all of the pendiong UFAs up on the market at the same time and you dilute the return by flooding the market with 2 centres and 3 defencemen (plus Toffoli).

I wouldn't want Karlsson either at that contract even with his great year.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by dino7c

well its obvious...even if Markstrom was .910 this season the Flames would have been well over 100 points

Again the Flames had 93 points (more than the cup finalist) with all these things going wrong, one goal games an OTs

again you are just the hater of all things Flames

now "Wolf won't be as good as fans think"

you want to tank for top picks...and they you will say "they aren't that good"


Your post history is an absolute embarrassment, you need a new hobby guy

The problem here is you can’t airlift a magical save percentage to cure the team’s problems. There is causation in the flames strategy and quality chances given up that led to that save percentage.

It’s too simple to say the flames were a 100 pt team with better goaltending last year. The issues ran much deeper.