[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

It's not like Canada had way stiffer rules than many states did. If that's what makes them freak out and go home then they don't have what it takes to win a cup anyway.

While they had full buildings and Canadian teams had coloured back drops?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by chedder

Steinberg thinks Chucky's gone too. I think we all need to prepare to be extremely underwhelmed by the return.

https://twitter.com/Fan960Steinberg/...flE0kAmKQ&s=19

not sure why. There's teams out there who happily give up 1sts and prospects for a dozen of regular season games plus playoffs of guys like Ben freaking Chiarot. It's not like a guy coming off a 100 point season is suddenly going to be worth a bag of pucks just because of the contract situation.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by chedder

Steinberg thinks Chucky's gone too. I think we all need to prepare to be extremely underwhelmed by the return.

https://twitter.com/Fan960Steinberg/...flE0kAmKQ&s=19

I don't understand why the Flames shouldn't get a massive return for Tkachuk.

[foshizzle11]

well if this is goodbye to Tkachuk, then Tre better get the best package possible for him, any team. No matter where it is, Tkachuk should have zero say in this trade and where the Flames decide to trade him.

We can't screw this up can we?

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Losing Gaudreau and still trying to compete is one thing, but this organization would by colossally stupid to try and compete sans Gaudreau AND Tkachuk.

For the Cup, yes - colossally stupid. Now, if they would truly compete (for once in their franchise existence in Calgary) for the 2023 top draft picks, that would be great!

[mennoknight]

it is absolutely the right move to trade Tkachuk at peak value. We have seen what he is in the playoffs. I'm over it.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't understand why the Flames shouldn't get a massive return for Tkachuk.

Because he’s one year away from UFA, so unless it’s a sign and trade, I don’t think teams give up a huge haul.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't understand why the Flames shouldn't get a massive return for Tkachuk.

Because he’s a rental. Or else you are trading signing rights, which never get much.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Ugh, get it over with and trade Tkachuk. Lets build a new core.
Get an impact centre for once and build from there.

Well at this rate its gonna be Bedard.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

If the 2nd overall pick was indeed on the table, we already missed the best return possible.

Who knows if it was? And if so, why can't that pick be traded now?

I doubt it was. It obviously wasn't on the table for Debrincat, who was signed for two years.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't understand why the Flames shouldn't get a massive return for Tkachuk.

Yeah I guess from the standpoint that trading a star player never has a great looking return that moment. But, it’s going to be a strong return. To think otherwise doesn’t make sense.

It isn’t Treliving competing with others. It’s other GMs competing with each other. You want him? Pay up. Because your div rival is.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by devo22

yeah I never expected we'd run into these kind of problems with Americans who've been on the team for such a long time. I mean, we already got burned by Fox, but all things considered that was still an outlier. Now obviously people will be antsy with regards to Coronato, who, to be fair, has done nothing but say the right things since being drafted.

I don't know what the answer is. Obviously you could just draft more Canadiens and Euros, but even the trusting the Swedish mafia isn't foolproof (see Erixon, Tom).

I don't think this is an American player issue. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there is probably some matrix of probability of not wanting to be in small Canadian markets that would show Canadians are more likely to be ok with it vs. Americans, so I'm not saying there's 0 story here, but I don't think it really all about these players being American vs. Canadian.

- Johnny was about being close to home. No doubt maybe some recent events with COVID maybe increased the issue, which is a US / CAN thing. But, really, Johnny could be from Toronto, and want to be closer to home (think Dubois wanting to go to Montreal). What we have with Johnny, is a player that had location, and close to family, far more on their mind than what we've seen from any other player of his caliber before. So much so he left crazy dollars on the table, and better chance of winning on the table for location. I'd view him as more of a unicorn in this respect than the norm. I also don't think the Fox thing is unique to American vs. Canadian, that was also just a player leveraging what power they had to control location early in career (wouldn't work, if he wasn't as good as Fox). But again, is that a US / Can thing, or just an individual player thing. Likely Johnny, I think it's an individual thing.

- Tkachuk, if it goes this way, I also think isn't really a US / Can thing at the core. For him I think it's a winning thing. Unfortunately, the loss of Johnny, may have him believe that winning here isn't an option, for a long time. I'm guessing if we had Johnny, he'd likely be signing here, because for him it's about winning. Not saying that players don't have preferences on location, and not saying a player like Tkachuk might not try to get all things he'd prefer (contender, location and money), but in this case, I don't think for example, if the Flames were based somewhere in the US in the west, in this exact situation (just lost Johnny), that Tkachuk would be more likely to sign here.

Point being, I think the location thing is something to think about, but I think we are over indexing on it when it comes to where our players are born. Calgary is always going to be a tougher sell market location wise, but not sure it means we need to forgo US players in the future.

[djsFlames]

They would only trade to a location where Chucky would re-sign.

The return should be significant.

[SuperMatt18]

I had heard from a pretty reliable source last offseason that the rumor that Tkachuk being open and preferring a trade to the U.S. that Shane O'Brien had talked about was true, and that Tkachuk made it known as far back as last offseason that he might not want to be here long term.

Now these things are always fluid but it really is looking to me like the Flames didn't like the trade market for either Gaudreau or Tkachuk last offseason. Both coming off years in 19-20 and 2021 that weren't as good as 18-19, and COVID had suppressed the trade market a bit.

I think they decided to run it back to take run last shot with this core - but might have always know this was a possibility this off-season.

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

- Tkachuk, if it goes this way, I also think isn't really a US / Can thing at the core. For him I think it's a winning thing. Unfortunately, the loss of Johnny, may have him believe that winning here isn't an option, for a long time. I'm guessing if we had Johnny, he'd likely be signing here, because for him it's about winning. Not saying that players don't have preferences on location, and not saying a player like Tkachuk might not try to get all things he'd prefer (contender, location and money), but in this case, I don't think for example, if the Flames were based somewhere in the US in the west, in this exact situation (just lost Johnny), that Tkachuk would be more likely to sign here.

I think with Tkachuk a big part of it is legacy, and he wants to have that legacy in St.Louis.

I remember watching that All-Star game in St.Louis a couple years back and seeing how Tkachuk was the STAR, even more than the players from the Blues team that had a handful of representatives in that game. I think from that moment on he's wanted to go back there.

[Burning Beard]

Yeah let's get this over with. Sutter has never had this much ammunition for an "us against them" season in his lifetime.

[Britflamesfan]

I am sorry to say this guys especially after I had three fantastic years living in Alberta but right now Canada is very rapidly gaining a very poor reputation abroad. Your PM and Govt seem to be doing their best to trash Canada and the rest of the world is looking on with shock. Does not surprise me if players don't want to come or stay. That said the US/UK/EU are also not happy places to live at the moment.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

I am sorry to say this guys especially after I had three fantastic years living in Alberta but right now Canada is very rapidly gaining a very poor reputation abroad. Your PM and Govt seem to be doing their best to trash Canada and the rest of the world is looking on with shock. Does not surprise me if players don't want to come or stay. That said the US/UK/EU are also not happy places to live at the moment.

Man are the US and the UK ever loaded with information about Canada and how bad it is. It’s kind of hilarious.

We are a distraction, we are not relevant.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

I am sorry to say this guys especially after I had three fantastic years living in Alberta but right now Canada is very rapidly gaining a very poor reputation abroad. Your PM and Govt seem to be doing their best to trash Canada and the rest of the world is looking on with shock. Does not surprise me if players don't want to come or stay. That said the US/UK/EU are also not happy places to live at the moment.

"Sorry your country sucks and everyone knows it. Every other country also sucks."

Fantastic contribution. Really adds context and insight.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't understand why the Flames shouldn't get a massive return for Tkachuk.

The return should be quite good, but not "massive". You are trading one year at $9M minimum, then "perhaps" an 8-year extension at a massive amount. That doesn't spell a cache of riches going the other way.

Unless the acquiring team considers him a one year rental, they need to fit in a huge cap hit for a long period of time, plus give up assets.

I expect the return will be a first round pick and a decent prospect. How decent might depend on whether Calgary is taking on a bad contract as part of the return.

Two years of Debrincat (the first one at $6M), who scored 40 goals and can be a play driver himself, brought in the 7th pick plus a 2nd round pick IIRC.

I like Tkachuk more myself, but I would think they would have had comparable value without factoring in Debrincat's second year of control.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

I am sorry to say this guys especially after I had three fantastic years living in Alberta but right now Canada is very rapidly gaining a very poor reputation abroad. Your PM and Govt seem to be doing their best to trash Canada and the rest of the world is looking on with shock. Does not surprise me if players don't want to come or stay. That said the US/UK/EU are also not happy places to live at the moment.

I thought we were talking about Canada, not the US.