2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Moving from 3rd to 1st will cost you quite a bit more than a 2nd round. It’s not anywhere close to moving up from, say, 17 to 15.


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Yeah my guess is it would cost this year and next years 1st rd picks.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Max Domi would be an option to substitute one of the players mentioned. And this is coming from Montreal papers and bloggers. They really want a french speaking superstar, and are willing to pay out the nose for one.

Eeeehhh

Are they saying Suzuki, Caufield, Primeau and 9th overall for 1st overall?

Damn that'd be pretty tough to pass on to be honest. I really, really would hate for the Flames actually win the lottery and then trade down so far that they miss out on Byfield, Stutzle, Rossi, Perfetti etc, but Suzuki had a really good rookie year, Caufield is small but man can he produce, Primeau is a good looking goalie prospect and you'd still get a pretty good player at 9. Both Suzuki and Caufield are right shot C's too.

[Monahammer]

I think we're making this too hard on ourselves. If we get the 1st pick for the first time ever we should probably just feel lucky and take the guy who's been ranked strong first since the beginning. Getting lafreniere would be pretty unreal.

Only way I consider moving down from 1st is something stupid like brady and Ottawas 1st.

[djsFlames]

Taking Lafreniere is okay if he is in fact the class of the draft when you consider how it opens up the option to deal from LW for center talent.

It does seem karmically wise to not piss on that luck by moving down to fill positional needs.

But Byfield being nearly a year younger and doing what he has is awfully tempting. Dude is 6'4, fast and skilled. You could season him for a year cause he's young but he looks like he could step in right now as a middle six C and deliver the goods.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Taking Lafreniere is okay if he is in fact the class of the draft when you consider how it opens up the option to deal from LW for center talent.

It does seem karmically wise to not piss on that luck by moving down to fill positional needs.

But Byfield being nearly a year younger and doing what he has is awfully tempting.

With the Ludacris depth the Flames have at LW taking Lafreniere is fin eif you can maximize an asset management move. Kids going to be your 2nd line LW for at least 2 seasons. Ample space to groom him for top line superstar stuff.

Like I mentioned earlier, it makes moving Gaurdeau an super easy pill to swallow instead of people gnashing their teeth worried they won't find a replacement. Plus the Hall thing on top of all that.

[AustinL_NHL]

Also have to take into consideration the fact that Byfield's competitiveness is one of the traits most often questioned by scouts and there's concern over his ability to step up in games that matter the most, whereas Lafreniere is absolutely praised for his competitiveness, clutch factor and drive to be the absolute best possible player he can be.

Byfield has a chance to be an excellent #1 center that every team of dream of having, but you absolutely take Lafreniere if you're drafting first. There was zero debate all season about Lafreniere being the consensus #1 over Byfield. Instead, there's no debate about whether Stutzle has surpassed Byfield.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dammage79

With the Ludacris depth the Flames have at LW taking Lafreniere is fin eif you can maximize an asset management move. Kids going to be your 2nd line LW for at least 2 seasons. Ample space to groom him for top line superstar stuff.

Like I mentioned earlier, it makes moving Gaurdeau an super easy pill to swallow instead of people gnashing their teeth worried they won't find a replacement. Plus the Hall thing on top of all that.

I think if you land Laf and sign Hall you move Tkachuk to RW, since he's played there a bit already.

Obviously dealing Gaudreau is something you have to do at that point as it helps you retool on the fly and alleviates the concern of resigning. And as a bonus it opens up the door a bit more for smaller skilled guys like Phillips and Pelletier to step in.

[Poe969]

If Byfield was in next year's draft, would he be protected to be #1? The kid is almost a year younger than lafrerniere. I think you have to consider that with everything, the kid can get a lot better with an extra year.

[Heavy Jack]

I’m the last guy who wants to see either of Gaudreau or Tkachuk traded but all this talk is making me want to at least participate lol! Here’s my attempt:

Tkachuk + Hanifin for 3rd overall + Colin White
Bennett + Jankowski for Josh Anderson
Sign Taylor Hall, Pietrangelo and Gustafsson
Hopefully draft Byfield

Hall - Monahan - Lindholm
Gaudreau - White - Anderson
Mangiapane - Backlund - Dube
Lucic - Ryan - Phillips

Giordano - Pietrangelo
Valimaki - Andersson
Kylington - Gustafsson

Rittich
Talbot

[TheScorpion]

Tkachuk and Hanifin for 3rd overall and White is a laughably bad trade, I'm sorry. The Flames give up Tkachuk for a worse asset in pick 3 and give up Hanifin for a much worse asset in White.

That trade would set the Flames back 5-10 years.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think we're making this too hard on ourselves. If we get the 1st pick for the first time ever we should probably just feel lucky and take the guy who's been ranked strong first since the beginning. Getting lafreniere would be pretty unreal.

Only way I consider moving down from 1st is something stupid like brady and Ottawas 1st.

2017 NHL Draft

1. Nico Hiesher
2. Nolan Patrick
3. Miro Heiskenen
4. Cale Makar
5. Elias Pettersson

Trust your scouts, and draft who you think will be the best player. Pettersson goes first overall in a redraft.

Number one consensus unless is still up in the air. I take the center and swing for the fences.

[TheScorpion]

Lafreniere is the consensus guy, though.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Lafreniere is the consensus guy, though.

Sorry, I meant like full on generational consensus. I'm not one to judge because I have no idea other than the info given on here (Thanks Damage)

But the same as Druinn was held in such a high regard and Barkov was such a surprise at second. Centers mean so much, but its up to our scouting department and what they see in who.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MrMike

2017 NHL Draft

1. Nico Hiesher
2. Nolan Patrick
3. Miro Heiskenen
4. Cale Makar
5. Elias Pettersson

Trust your scouts, and draft who you think will be the best player. Pettersson goes first overall in a redraft.

Number one consensus unless is still up in the air. I take the center and swing for the fences.

It's called hindsight...by this logic the Flames should draft the 5th ranked guy? Vancouver didn't trust their scouts they lost the lottery and took what was left

All this being said Calgary is not getting first overall

[MrMike]

This persons post in the other thread sums it up a bit, with what I mean if it isn't a generational talent.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Thinking about the Sens trading 3 and 5 for 1 and oookong at some recent drafts it makes for an interesting discussion.

2010- Hall for Gudbranson and Niederitter. Hall all day
2011- Nuge for Huberdeau and Strome. Huberdeau is the best player and the 3 picks after Strome we’re Zibenijad, Schiefele, Couturier and alll are way better than Nuge
2012- Yakupov for Galchenyuk and Rielly. No explanation needed
2013- MacKinnon for Drouin and Lindholm. Still take Nate but what if it was Jones and Lindholm/Monahan? Likely still stick with MacKinnon
2014- Ekblad for Draisaitl and Dal Colle. Draisaitl is the best player
2015- McDavid for Strome and Hanifin. No doubt McDavid
2016- Matthews for Dubois and Juolevi. Put Tkachuk in there with Dubois and I take them over Matthews
2017- Hischier for Heiskenan and Petterson easily take the duo
2018- Dahlin for Kotkaniemi and Hayton. Take Dahlin
2019- Hughes for Dach and Turcotte. Too soon to say

When there is a consensus pick that is a tier above the rest it seems like the right call to take the player but in many cases if you nail picks 3 and 5 of a draft you will end up with a better situation.

Is Laf in the Mackinnon Mcdavid Matthews area, or is there a chance the center at 2/3 will be better? Have to just trust in your scouts. Good luck Buffalo...

[dino7c]

Just FYI the players age is already factored into the rankings by central scouting and others. Its not just a direct comparison of current skills.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Tkachuk and Hanifin for 3rd overall and White is a laughably bad trade, I'm sorry. The Flames give up Tkachuk for a worse asset in pick 3 and give up Hanifin for a much worse asset in White.

That trade would set the Flames back 5-10 years.

Especially considering that top 5 busts are not that uncommon. It doesn't happen every year, but it happens often enough that I wouldn't trade a proven young player for a draft pick.

Some of these high profile prospects are going to bust, it's just the nature of things.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Max Domi would be an option to substitute one of the players mentioned. And this is coming from Montreal papers and bloggers. They really want a french speaking superstar, and are willing to pay out the nose for one.

They have Jonathan Drouin whose a pretty decent, french speaking player.

[TheScorpion]

That's like saying the Flames don't want Alexis Lafreniere because they already have Andrew Mangiapane.

[dino7c]