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[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Yes, they might. Even 4th round picks, too. Still, odds aren't great.

Yes, but I'd rather spin the wheel than give that chance up for a Lazar... or a Hamonic for that matter.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Yes, but I'd rather spin the wheel than give that chance up for a Lazar... or a Hamonic for that matter.

and maybe get a ELC contract playing on the team.

I haven't checked all the teams but the Flames with Tkachuk and Jankowski as the only 2 ELCs on the NHL team is pretty much the lowest in the league.

Jets have 6 , Predators 4, Vegas 4 ,Wild 6 , ducks 3 sharks 3

Next year the Flames with have Tkachuk and maybe Andersen

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Next year the Flames with have Tkachuk and maybe Andersen

Assuming none of Dube, Mangiapane, Valimaki, Kylington, or possibly even Phillips show anything in training camp.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Assuming none of Dube, Mangiapane, Valimaki, Kylington, or possibly even Phillips show anything in training camp.

Not a lot of room with 9 forwards contracted with one-way contracts plus Jankowski, Hathaway and Shore as RFAs

5 D-men with big contracts and Kulak as a RFA

the 2-3 open spots go to some aging UFAs as the Flames have cap space to burn

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Yep, because during the summer teams can't trade or shuffle their rosters.

April is always the best time to predict what the rosters will be the following season.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Yep, because during the summer teams can't trade or shuffle their rosters.

April is always the best time to predict what the rosters will be the following season.

Sure, let's deny that there is a consistent pattern with Treliving and that he doesn't parrot the maxim that you can't overcook your prospects ad nauseum.

Please refresh my memory: where did Jankowski start the NHL season and what was the solid rationale behind it again? And how did that work? How big an impact did Tanner Glass have? Bigger than Bollig? Bigger than Grossman? Setoguchi? Galliardi? Raymond?

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

Sure, let's deny that there is a consistent pattern with Treliving and that he doesn't parrot the maxim that you can't overcook your prospects ad nauseum.

Please refresh my memory: where did Jankowski start the NHL season and what was the solid rationale behind it again? And how did that work? How big an impact did Tanner Glass have? Bigger than Bollig? Bigger than Grossman? Setoguchi? Galliardi? Raymond?

How exactly do you know that starting in Stockton and building his confidence didn't help his game? Why is it always assumed that because someone doesn't like a decision, that it's the wrong one.

I personally think if a player has to fight for a spot it's not a bad thing. How do you know getting sent down didn't fuel him to play even better?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

Sure, let's deny that there is a consistent pattern with Treliving and that he doesn't parrot the maxim that you can't overcook your prospects ad nauseum.

Please refresh my memory: where did Jankowski start the NHL season and what was the solid rationale behind it again? And how did that work? How big an impact did Tanner Glass have? Bigger than Bollig? Bigger than Grossman? Setoguchi? Galliardi? Raymond?

I have never understood why this pisses people off so much.

Glass was in the minors most of the season, on a contract that barely effected the cap. He was added as an insurance policy that they used early to start the year with Bennett as a center.

When it didn't work they adjusted.

Jankowski in the AHL was about Bennett at center, and nothing else.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Zevo

How exactly do you know that starting in Stockton and building his confidence didn't help his game? Why is it always assumed that because someone doesn't like a decision, that it's the wrong one.

I personally think if a player has to fight for a spot it's not a bad thing. How do you know getting sent down didn't fuel him to play even better?

Was there anyone who watched the preseason and came to the conclusion that Jankowski hadn't earned a spot? How about in the AHL season before?

Great, you share Treliving's view on development How is that working? How does it compare with several teams that are better than us that have more players on ELCs as pointed out by ricardodw?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Mark Jankowski played 72 games in the nhl this season
What exactly are people upset about? 10 games?

[GioforPM]

Treliving told Jankowski he’d made the team and needed to make space for him. And after about only 10 games, he was up. Pretty minor issue IMO.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

Was there anyone who watched the preseason and came to the conclusion that Jankowski hadn't earned a spot?

Was there anyone who watched the preseason and came to the conclusion that Tanner Glass hadn't earned a spot?

[Fan in Exile]

I'm sorry guys, everything Treliving has done is wizardry. It's just luck. Let's keep on doing things exactly the same way and ignore the way other more successful teams have been built. Treliving's way is sure to bear fruit soon.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

I'm sorry guys, everything Treliving has done is wizardry. It's just luck. Let's keep on doing things exactly the same way and ignore the way other more successful teams have been built. Treliving's way is sure to bear fruit soon.

I don’t think anyone said that
Why the hyperbole?

[monkeyman]

The whole Jankowski thing is just a microcosm of what's wrong in the bigger picture of this franchise, and shows just how far this team has moved from the earned, never given motto that it once proudly used to help build the identity of this team. you might not think it's a big deal, and in Jankowski's career it's not, but it absolutely sent the wrong message to the whole team, and at the very beginning of the season. One of my biggest criticisms of this team all year has been lack of accountability, for poor play, for poor results and for poor decisions, and that applies to both on and off the ice.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Was there anyone who watched the preseason and came to the conclusion that Tanner Glass hadn't earned a spot?

I thought that the team ultimately failed to scored goals and had one of the league's lowest shooting percentages despite creating a lot of chances. We lacked depth scoring. In fact in the first 10 to 12 games, the 3rd and 4th lines did not score any goals, even after Jankowski was called up. Which player helped address that better, Jankowski or Glass?

My whole point is that you can give the benefit of the doubt to Treliving for almost every single move he's made but his moves have a cumulative effect and it is straight out denial to claim he does not prefer to fill holes with questionable vet signings rather than try younger players. In and of itself leaving Janko in the minors was not an egregious error but it is part of a pattern that reflects a failed philosophy. The evidence continues to grow that leaving players in the minors is not the way to build a successful team in today's NHL. You need to let young players on ELCs have a bigger role.

[Toonage]

Nm

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don’t think anyone said that
Why the hyperbole?

Sorry, an over-reaction. I get tired of the same argument on a micro level when the problem is this is just one small example of a larger pattern.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

The whole Jankowski thing is just a microcosm of what's wrong in the bigger picture of this franchise, and shows just how far this team has moved from the earned, never given motto that it once proudly used to help build the identity of this team. you might not think it's a big deal, and in Jankowski's career it's not, but it absolutely sent the wrong message to the whole team, and at the very beginning of the season. One of my biggest criticisms of this team all year has been lack of accountability, for poor play, for poor results and for poor decisions, and that applies to both on and off the ice.

He didn’t win a spot in camp and earned a call up in his 10 game stint.

Earned not given is exactly what happened with Jankowski.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

I thought that the team ultimately failed to scored goals and had one of the league's lowest shooting percentages despite creating a lot of chances. We lacked depth scoring. In fact in the first 10 to 12 games, the 3rd and 4th lines did not score any goals, even after Jankowski was called up. Which player helped address that better, Jankowski or Glass?

My whole point is that you can give the benefit of the doubt to Treliving for almost every single move he's made but his moves have a cumulative effect and it is straight out denial to claim he does not prefer to fill holes with questionable vet signings rather than try younger players. In and of itself leaving Janko in the minors was not an egregious error but it is part of a pattern that reflects a failed philosophy. The evidence continues to grow that leaving players in the minors is not the way to build a successful team in today's NHL. You need to let young players on ELCs have a bigger role.

Players also have to earn their spots, or you get Oiler-type scenarios. However, let's accept this statement as 100% true...

The Flames brought up Jankowski, Hathaway, Mangiapane, Lomberg, Klimchuk, Hrivik and Foo. How did that affect the bottom 6 production?

And also, how do you reconcile that to you current argument that they aren't giving players those chances?