[News] With the #22 overall pick the Flames select LW/RW Emile Poirier

[flames_fan_down_under]

Puck Daddy's blog has it's winners and losers of the draft, of course the Flames are "losers" for passing on Shinkaruk and drafting Poirier.

While immediately after it praises Columbus and Kekalainen for passing on Shinkaruk.

Calgary Flames: Losers. Sean Monahan and Morgan Klimchuk were perfectly fine picks at No. 6. Pretty much the definition of safe picks. Then with Hunter Shinkaruk available at No. 22, Jay Feaster goes way off the board for Emile Poirier, and even the usually rah-rah TSN panel seemed stunned. Even Poirier looked surprised. Feaster, of course, assured everyone that the Flames had this guy in their top 10. Good lord.

Columbus Blue Jackets: Winners. Jarmo Kekalainen is widely considered one of the best drafting executives in the league so even if you have qualms about his passing on Shinkaruk at No. 19, you have to give him the benefit of the doubt running his own ship for the first time.

I guess I'll never read that blog again.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Puck Daddy's blog has it's winners and losers of the draft, of course the Flames are "losers" for passing on Shinkaruk and drafting Poirier.

While immediately after it praises Columbus and Kekalainen for passing on Shinkaruk.





I guess I'll never read that blog again.

The usually "rah-rah TSN panel?

TSN loves putting down the Flames.

[Racki]

I have my fingers crossed that this kid has a huge coming out party at the World Juniors. Brent loves competitive guys that play a 200ft game so I like his chances of making that team.

I'd love to see some of the pundits that ripped this move have to eat a little crow.

[moon]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Puck Daddy's blog has it's winners and losers of the draft, of course the Flames are "losers" for passing on Shinkaruk and drafting Poirier.

While immediately after it praises Columbus and Kekalainen for passing on Shinkaruk.





I guess I'll never read that blog again.

That's not really praise for skipping Shinkaruk but smart move to avoid the garbage on puck daddy.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Puck Daddy's blog has it's winners and losers of the draft, of course the Flames are "losers" for passing on Shinkaruk and drafting Poirier.

While immediately after it praises Columbus and Kekalainen for passing on Shinkaruk.





I guess I'll never read that blog again.

I stopped reading that article after seeing that they had the Sabres as losers and the Hurricanes as winners ... good lord indeed.

[stan151515]

Many don't put much stock into +/- but I think it is useful when comparing against teammates. Shinkaruk tied for 4th worst on his team while Poirier was tied for 7th best (which includes a few guys that barely played).

Shinkaruk
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...009982013.html

Emile Poirier
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...032452013.html

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by bluck

How did they know that's who they were targeting? I can't really see a GM come up and directly say "we want pick 22 to draft Poirier..." Seems like Feaster is just doing some damage control

What damage do you think needs to be controlled?

[tempz]

Looks like the Olympique dominated the Q draft. Hopefully this kid is surrounded by talent next year and lights it up out of the gate, plays his way onto the WJHC squad.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/20...743/story.html

[macrov]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I honestly think they passed on Shinkaruk because they didn't scout him very much. Where the Flames picks were, Shinkaruk shouldn't have even been an option. I think that's what was mean't when Feaster said "we'll stick to our list".

He grew up skating with the hitmen. His dad was the hitmen's dentist. He grew up in Elbow Park; everyone there knew who he was. Jim Peplinksi and Mike Vernon and the whole crowd. I think the problem is that the flames organization knew him far too well.

[joe_mullen]

When you're one of the laughing stocks of the league, criticism is well deserved, regardless how justified we feel it is. Furthermore, the criticism has been right the vast majority of the time. This team has done nothing over the past 4-5 years that would allow us to have the benefit of the doubt from the general media. There is no Flames hate here, just well established doubt and cynicism.

[jwags]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Have you seen Moneyball (or read the book)? Most of MLB passed over Chad Bradford because he was a submarine pitcher. He was deadly against right-handed batters, but he had a funny-looking style, and baseball GMs did not fear losing as much as they feared being laughed at.

In the movie, Jonah Hill's character says, 'Baseball thinking is mediaeval.' That's no longer true, but in hockey, some of the same attitudes still linger on. Probably the last place they'll die is in the media, because after all, media guys don't have to win games. Some of the guys reporting on the draft are almost as far behind the times as Don Cherry.

Great movie because it relates to hockey and the stupidity of the old boys club mentality so well. Great post!

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by joe_mullen

When you're one of the laughing stocks of the league, criticism is well deserved, regardless how justified we feel it is. Furthermore, the criticism has been right the vast majority of the time. This team has done nothing over the past 4-5 years that would allow us to have the benefit of the doubt from the general media. There is no Flames hate here, just well established doubt and cynicism.

Except that Columbus gets the benefit of the doubt for passing on the same kid...

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by macrov

He grew up skating with the hitmen. His dad was the hitmen's dentist. He grew up in Elbow Park; everyone there knew who he was. Jim Peplinksi and Mike Vernon and the whole crowd. I think the problem is that the flames organization knew him far too well.

Ya, I would agree with this. Probably would have the parents meddling in all business around him for his career here. Probably best for him as well to go do some growing as a person away from his family as well. Vancouver is a good place to live and not that far from home. Not that I am a Canucks fan or anything but the city is a good place to live.

[joe_mullen]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Except that Columbus gets the benefit of the doubt for passing on the same kid...

They're a feel good story with respected upper management. I'm sure you can see the difference.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Puck Daddy's blog has it's winners and losers of the draft, of course the Flames are "losers" for passing on Shinkaruk and drafting Poirier.

While immediately after it praises Columbus and Kekalainen for passing on Shinkaruk.

I guess I'll never read that blog again.

Lambert is actually a Flames fan. And in that article, he is clearly a Flames fan reacting the same way many on CP did at the time of the pick.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Except that Columbus gets the benefit of the doubt for passing on the same kid...

And would then go on to make a very similar "reach" on Marko Dano at 27...

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Except that Columbus gets the benefit of the doubt for passing on the same kid...

ya, I think this is garbage. What happened to take the best player available, no matter the team. Why does this mentality change at the later picks?

Why can't anyone believe that they might be right. So far Emile sounds pretty good to me.

[macrov]

Hunter skating with the hitmen. Again, the flames knew better than anyone who he was.

Edit: Those are super nice skates for a kid, eh?

[joe_mullen]

Originally Posted by joe_mullen

They're a feel good story with respected upper management. I'm sure you can see the difference.

I assume if Scott Howson made the same decision for CBJ and they were trending downwards after being oblivious to the truth for 3 years, they'd have been criticized as well.

Was it a good pick, maybe, but our decision making track record speaks for itself, like it or not.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by joe_mullen

When you're one of the laughing stocks of the league, criticism is well deserved, regardless how justified we feel it is. Furthermore, the criticism has been right the vast majority of the time. This team has done nothing over the past 4-5 years that would allow us to have the benefit of the doubt from the general media. There is no Flames hate here, just well established doubt and cynicism.

Shinkaruk was ranked around 10 in most predictions, meaning that Philadelphia, Phoenix, Winnipeg, Columbus (twice), the Isles, Buffalo, Ottawa, San Jose, Detroit, Toronto and Washington also passed on Shinkaruk. Yet only Calgary is deemed "losers" in that one blog and gets criticized for it ... why? Cause he's a Calgarian? That's BS. When a third of the league passes on a player, you can't just single one team out, even if they have been a "laughing stock". It's just biased and unfair evaluation, especially when the other two 1st round picks are deemed good choices by virtually everbody.