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d_phaneuf · 11-13-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RichKlit

Has the Jays trade been approved and announced as official yet? If not that would make the other rumor just that.

not approved, I think physicals need to be done

ESPN said should be tomorrow

Flickered Flame · 11-13-2012, 07:33 PM

Mike Wilner about to discuss the trade on SNET 590.

RichKlit · 11-13-2012, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

not approved, I think physicals need to be done

ESPN said should be tomorrow

Thanks i wasn't sure. I love the trade but i keep waiting for the rug to get pulled out from under me and somehow the deal not happening. I will keep my fingers crossed until it gets done.

moon · 11-13-2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Flickered Flame

Mike Wilner about to discuss the trade on SNET 590.

Yech.

Listening to him all off season and next season is going to be awful.

bluejays · 11-13-2012, 07:53 PM

Wow, listening to Wilner, and he's saying D'Arnaud is the future equivalent of Buster Posey. And he proceeds to rebut his twitter critics who make fun of him, saying they don't know what they're talking about. While I like D'Arnaud, I think we're overvaluing his bat. He's going to be better than your average catcher, but Buster Posey? Wilner's always been a company man.

TitovFTW · 11-13-2012, 08:00 PM

Wilner is an idiot, I choose not to listen to him, some great Jays bloggers out there with much better information and context.

moon · 11-13-2012, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fleury

Wow, listening to Wilner, and he's saying D'Arnaud is the future equivalent of Buster Posey. And he proceeds to rebut his twitter critics who make fun of him, saying they don't know what they're talking about. While I like D'Arnaud, I think we're overvaluing his bat. He's going to be better than your average catcher, but Buster Posey? Wilner's always been a company man.

Its that comment about twitter that drives me nuts about him. He may be right but anyone (Caller, twitter, email) that doesn't agree with him is an idiot and has no idea what they are talking about.

But you are right outside of maybe Jamie Campbell he is the biggest fanboy out there for the Jays.

Matty81 · 11-13-2012, 08:23 PM

Wow... just got home from work and ate and digested the trade. Holy crap is all I can say.

Maybe in 4 or 5 years the Marlins end up with a couple players but they rolled the dice on 3 B/B+ prospects, Escobar and a C+ for 2 front line starters, the best shortstop of his generation and a real solid 2B. Nicolino is my favorite player gone but with his velocity, he's a 3/4 at best. Marisnick has tools but he was awful with the bat this year. Hech is the guy I think is the safest bet, I think he'll hit 15 HRs and play good D for years. Alvarez is a one pitch pitcher destined for a closer role IMO.

Even if the year doesn't go amazingly, you could get 3 better prospects for Johnson to a contender at the deadline... probably 2 for Buehrle. I just can't believe how little the Jays gave up for this package.

Land a real good 1B/DH bat with JPA and this team is set. If we're really dreaming, maybe the Edwin Jackson rumors are true and they bring him in as well. Can't imagine the payroll continuing to rise though.

GirlySports · 11-13-2012, 08:23 PM

McCown has long banned Wilner from his show, even though they work for the same station!

VERVE · 11-13-2012, 08:30 PM

According to Sportsnet, the BoSox had previously made a huge push for Josh Johnson and Reyes...

VERVE · 11-13-2012, 08:38 PM

All of a sudden, the American East has become a tougher division with solid competitive teams. The Jays will have speed and power hopefully this may help them be a playoff team... Now, who will be the lucky manager hired to manage a team full of stars esp a superstar like Reyes.

nfotiu · 11-13-2012, 08:38 PM

So, basically the Marlins outbid everyone with backloaded, no no trade clause contracts, and then trrade those contracts for prospects the next year. Basically getting prospects for free. Kind of smart except for the alienating their fans part.

Sylvanfan · 11-13-2012, 08:45 PM

Big time deal for the Blue Jays to get 2 pitchers for their rotation, and a real legit SS. It will be interesting to see Reyes, the Jays haven't really had a hitter like him since Alomar. I think he could hit 20 home runs playing in the AL East parks.

If they could find another good LH hitter with some pop that would really round out the lineup.

Definitely a bold move to be more competitive. Exciting day for fans.

VERVE · 11-13-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nfotiu

So, basically the Marlins outbid everyone with backloaded, no no trade clause contracts, and then trrade those contracts for prospects the next year. Basically getting prospects for free. Kind of smart except for the alienating their fans part.

The Marlins got a new stadium and they want to start it off with a bang by spending big. The usual Marlins salary dump (usually after a WS win) started in this off season but this time, it was after a poor attendance ( which didn't help with Guillen supporting Castro) and having one of their worst record ever. So now they start again with prospects while trading away their stars. It has worked for them before...

GirlySports · 11-13-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Big time deal for the Blue Jays to get 2 pitchers for their rotation, and a real legit SS. It will be interesting to see Reyes, the Jays haven't really had a hitter like him since Alomar. I think he could hit 20 home runs playing in the AL East parks.

If they could find another good LH hitter with some pop that would really round out the lineup.

Definitely a bold move to be more competitive. Exciting day for fans.

Hamilton

Matty81 · 11-13-2012, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nfotiu

So, basically the Marlins outbid everyone with backloaded, no no trade clause contracts, and then trrade those contracts for prospects the next year. Basically getting prospects for free. Kind of smart except for the alienating their fans part.

2nd best or best player in the deal, Johnson, was drafted and developed by them.

I think you make a good point but you could make the argument either way. The Jays signed Alvarez and Hech as free agents. They also basically bought Nicolino and Marisnick by paying way over slot with 2nd and 3rd round picks. They got Mathis for nothing (sorry brad mills).

A few years ago none of those guys were on the Jays roster and none of them even cost a sandwich round pick. You could argue that using cash the Jays traded Escobar, a 2nd and a 3rd rounder for that package.

Sylvanfan · 11-13-2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Matty81

2nd best or best player in the deal, Johnson, was drafted and developed by them.

I think you make a good point but you could make the argument either way. The Jays signed Alvarez and Hech as free agents. They also basically bought Nicolino and Marisnick by paying way over slot with 2nd and 3rd round picks. They got Mathis for nothing (sorry brad mills).

A few years ago none of those guys were on the Jays roster and none of them even cost a sandwich round pick. You could argue that using cash the Jays traded Escobar, a 2nd and a 3rd rounder for that package.

And they got Escobar for a free agent signee in Gonzalez and a relief pitching prospect.

TitovFTW · 11-13-2012, 09:01 PM

What an exciting day nobody could have predicted. Good for Jays fans who have stuck by their team.

KelVarnsen · 11-13-2012, 09:29 PM

Wow, just wow. Pretty good day for the Jays.

Sylvanfan · 11-13-2012, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nfotiu

So, basically the Marlins outbid everyone with backloaded, no no trade clause contracts, and then trrade those contracts for prospects the next year. Basically getting prospects for free. Kind of smart except for the alienating their fans part.

Isn't there no state income tax in Florida, which entices players to sign for less money. If the Jays were signing these guys they likely have to pay a lot more to do it.