Ignatieff came out and said the costs of jets didn't include engines, the DND basically came out and said "What the f##K are you talking about?" Ignatieff backed off on the jets after that, then Chretien came out with the same stupidity.
Were they grossly misunderstanding Congress in the US cancelling the Alternate Engine Program?
I just found out one of the NDPers elected last night is Andrew Cash. He's a member of one of my favourite underrated Canadian bands, the Cash Brothers. He also played in a band with Charlie Angus, another NDP MP.
This '60% of the country hates you' response from those opposing the CPC is getting old quick. Do people realize that Mean Jean's highwater mark in 1993 was only 41.24% of the popular vote?
The difference is that Chretien's governments always represented the median voter. It's wasn't ever the rightmost or leftmost 40% governing with a majority, as it is now.
The difference is that Chretien's governments always represented the median voter. It's wasn't ever the rightmost or leftmost 40% governing with a majority, as it is now.
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I am not going to waste my time with this
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Anyone else reading some of the user comments on CBC.ca? Pretty hilarious. It's as though all the Liberal supporters got together in one place to cry and moan about the election results.
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Doesn't matter how you try to rationalize it, SebC, the Liberals only carried the same 40% of the country the Conservatives had. But if pretending that median voters matter more than other voters helps you sleep at night, feel free. I might suggest, however, that that is the kind of arrogance that has reduced the Liberals to a bare shadow of what they once were.
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The difference is that Chretien's governments always represented the median voter. It's wasn't ever the rightmost or leftmost 40% governing with a majority, as it is now.
It doesn't matter where in the spectrum you think the Liberals were the time. Fact is the Liberals never had more than 41% of the popular vote - meaning the other 59% voted elsewhere.
It doesn't matter where in the spectrum you think the Liberals were the time. Fact is the Liberals never had more than 41% of the popular vote - meaning the other 59% voted elsewhere.
But some voters are more important than others, can't you see that?
Doesn't matter how you try to rationalize it, SebC, the Liberals only carried the same 40% of the country the Conservatives had. But if pretending that median voters matter more than other voters helps you sleep at night, feel free. I might suggest, however, that that is the kind of arrogance that has reduced the Liberals to a bare shadow of what they once were.
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It doesn't matter where in the spectrum you think the Liberals were the time. Fact is the Liberals never had more than 41% of the popular vote - meaning the other 59% voted elsewhere.
Under any reasonable voting system, the median voter is in the government. In Rep-by-Pop, any logical coalition includes the median voter. In a two-party system (i.e. in the absence of vote splitting), the government includes the median voter... and when it doesn't, it's considered a distorted result.
When the Liberals were in power, there were voters to the left, and voters to the right... that makes their government more reprensentative of the electorate as a whole than the current conservative government.
Like it or not, the median is a useful aggregator for representing a sample. Perhaps even more useful than the mode, which is what that damn plurality transplant99 keeps going on about is.
Anyone else reading some of the user comments on CBC.ca? Pretty hilarious. It's as though all the Liberal supporters got together in one place to cry and moan about the election results.
If you watched CBC last night, they were about 20 minutes later then everyone else calling the majority. From that point on, Mansbridge wanted nothing to do with the panel that was breaking down the (crushing Liberal) numbers, or to Amanda Lange who was doing the social media aspect...he kept going back to the insider panel as a crutch (as well as the two Liberal guys on video conference) trying to find some explanation and silver lining in this.
Certainly subdued and hard to hold back his disappointment....whether it be his love of Liberals, meh attitude to Harper, or, maybe the fact that his potential gig as a Liberal MP is down the toliet as long as the Libs are, whatever it was, it turned out to be the dullest (and usually its the best) of the major networks.
The panel was good as always, but Mansbridge (who I don't normally mind) was about as engaged and enthused as an Oilers fan in early March.
If you watched CBC last night, they were about 20 minutes later then everyone else calling the majority. From that point on, Mansbridge wanted nothing to do with the panel that was breaking down the (crushing Liberal) numbers
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The panel was good as always
Really? Chantal Hébert is unwatchable with her biased and bitter opinions.
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