I honestly thought they were all bad actors. Not only Stamets. The actress for Tilly was brutal and hard to watch. I didn't think Sonequa Green did the writers any favors too, she chewed on scenes like a strung out Shatner but the character's writing was also poor so it was a train wreck. Saru... can't tell if that was bad acting or just a terribly boring and dumb character that was written.
I can't point to a good performance. Even an oscar winner made every second on screen painful as she portrayed her role with so much cheese I couldn't even tell it was trek (a show known for being cheesy...)
And I thought Tilly was one of the better actors. Ug.
Man I really, really wanted to like Green, but she simply sucks as an actress. I wasn't impressed with her on TWD either.
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And I thought Tilly was one of the better actors. Ug.
Man I really, really wanted to like Green, but she simply sucks as an actress. I wasn't impressed with her on TWD either.
100, thought she bombed on TWD as well and I also wanted to like her.
I REALLY wanted to like discovery. Really. I gave it so many tries. I even excused the klingon look when my Dad was immediately opposed... but there was ultimately just no redeeming factors. The story sucked, the actors weren't good, I didn't like the characters, the writing was absolutely riddled with inserts... Hell they referenced Elon Musk as a famous figure in s1 (some sort of Musk Principle if I recall correctly.)
I hate to use the term woke but it was just chalk full of so much overblown "woke" #### that it was detrimental to the story. They didn't understand that the best part about the "woke" elements of TOS and TNG was that they happened without any fan fare, they were totally normal parts of the society not worthy of special note, just normal. It was normal to be transgendered. It was normal to be in a open relationship. It was normal to be gay. It was all normal! Whereas in discovery, someone overcoming anxiety was the biggest thing that ever happened. A gay couple staying in love through tumult was the picture of nobility... It totally missed the mark on what the star trek universe was here imo.
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100, thought she bombed on TWD as well and I also wanted to like her.
I REALLY wanted to like discovery. Really. I gave it so many tries. I even excused the klingon look when my Dad was immediately opposed... but there was ultimately just no redeeming factors. The story sucked, the actors weren't good, I didn't like the characters, the writing was absolutely riddled with inserts... Hell they referenced Elon Musk as a famous figure in s1 (some sort of Musk Principle if I recall correctly.)
I hate to use the term woke but it was just chalk full of so much overblown "woke" #### that it was detrimental to the story. They didn't understand that the best part about the "woke" elements of TOS and TNG was that they happened without any fan fare, they were totally normal parts of the society not worthy of special note, just normal. It was normal to be transgendered. It was normal to be in a open relationship. It was normal to be gay. It was all normal! Whereas in discovery, someone overcoming anxiety was the biggest thing that ever happened. A gay couple staying in love through tumult was the picture of nobility... It totally missed the mark on what the star trek universe was here imo.
Yeah, you kind of nailed it for me too.
This isn't 'woke' this should be 'Bang Average everyday nothing out of the ordinary.'
But they just felt compelled to beat you over the head with it when, in their Universe, this should have been ho hum Tuesday.
It was almost literally being beaten over the head by someone screaming "WE ARE MORE TOLERANT AND BETTER THAN YOU, YOU USELESS BASTARDS!!!!"
Okay, it does appear that you're intently adamant about starting a fight that didn't need to be started but alas, here we are.
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At least Picard S3 had some decent fan-service, even if the plot was mostly nonsense.
Look...this is where I'm going to disagree with you.
Most of it was effectively nonsense. I loved seeing Q again in season 2, who doesnt love Q? I'll admit that.
But the back-half of season 3? *Chef's Kiss*
I'll take it. I know its unapologetic fan-service, but these cast members are getting up there in years, they gave a shout-out to Majel Barrett which I thought was great! Naw....that was fantastic.
Thats what all 3 seasons should have been. The TNG Crew joy-riding around the Galaxy in the D! Thats all we wanted!
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Look...this is where I'm going to disagree with you.
Most of it was effectively nonsense. I loved seeing Q again in season 2, who doesnt love Q? I'll admit that.
But the back-half of season 3? *Chef's Kiss*
I'll take it. I know its unapologetic fan-service, but these cast members are getting up there in years, they gave a shout-out to Majel Barrett which I thought was great! Naw....that was fantastic.
Thats what all 3 seasons should have been. The TNG Crew joy-riding around the Galaxy in the D! Thats all we wanted!
See, I disagree. Outside of the starbase Geordie was on (Starbase Fanservice) the whole thing could get thrown out and I would be pretty happy.
Really it just tarnished some of my favourite characters. Worf destroyed Ent E for a throwaway joke?!!! Riker no longer madly in love with Deanna? Geordie a wuss!
Yeah, we got some great Ent D shots, but I have bridge commander remastered so I can get those whenever I want.
See, I disagree. Outside of the starbase Geordie was on (Starbase Fanservice) the whole thing could get thrown out and I would be pretty happy.
Really it just tarnished some of my favourite characters. Worf destroyed Ent E for a throwaway joke?!!! Riker no longer madly in love with Deanna? Geordie a wuss!
Yeah, we got some great Ent D shots, but I have bridge commander remastered so I can get those whenever I want.
I mean, that part tracks with the originals at least.
I try not to post negatively about things I haven't seen. I haven't seen it, I don't actually know what it is.
But Star Trek Discovery repeatedly demonstrated that they shouldn't have the trust of anyone who wants to watch Star Trek. So I don't think anyone should be surprised at early media views.
Star Trek has always been dogged with the question of just how you adapt a TV series that prides itself on talky diplomacy and meetings of scientific minds into a blockbuster medium that warrants the spectacle of sci-fi action. Can Star Trek still be Star Trek in such an environment? This week with the arrival of Section 31 on Paramount+, another question is boldly asked instead: what if a Star Trek movie was neither interested in being a Star Trek movie or even being a particularly interesting action one?
They have all the material (and I daresay with Yoh, even an actress who has a lot of talent and goodwill amongst Trekkies), and completely sh-t the bed.
Allegedly.
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Lifting a character from a legendary episode of TNG no less.
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Garrett, as the sole official Starfleet officer among them, has to straddle this line of team stick-in-the-mud—”Starfleet is here to make sure no one commits murder,” she snaps during her introductory scene—while also being suitably kooky enough to be one of the gang, which feels emblematic of one of the film’s fundamental failings. It’s so interested, desperate even, in communicating its quirky tone that it forgets to ask anything remotely interesting about its premise, or the loaded intent behind its title as a movie about Section 31 and its place in Star Trek‘s universe.
God
Damnit
At a certain point you have to wonder if it's just the lack of any kind of military life experience amongst the current writers rooms. TOS TNG had literal veterans working on the show. Star Fleet is an exploration organization, but in a militarized hierarchy.
There weren't characters on TNG or DS9 dedicated to being "quirky" as they were fleshed out beyond the opening 2 seasons, because that doesn't play in a real functioning org.
Tilly? Never anything except that.
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If Star Trek is a series that prides itself on thinking about big ideas and asking big questions, Section 31 is obsessed with the small, because it’s easier to crack an abrasive joke than it is to reckon with the complex ideas behind its namesake that the series has explored in the past.
It shouldn't be called nu-Trek. It should be called "Trek written by and for stupid people".
I honestly thought they were all bad actors. Not only Stamets. The actress for Tilly was brutal and hard to watch. I didn't think Sonequa Green did the writers any favors too, she chewed on scenes like a strung out Shatner but the character's writing was also poor so it was a train wreck. Saru... can't tell if that was bad acting or just a terribly boring and dumb character that was written.
I can't point to a good performance. Even an oscar winner made every second on screen painful as she portrayed her role with so much cheese I couldn't even tell it was trek (a show known for being cheesy...)
Anson Mount was about it, and so good he got his own show and ship.
Season 2 of Discovery was the only one that was tolerable specifically because of the Enterprise crew, and that gave us Strange New Worlds, so the whole endeavor wasn't a total waste. They really needed to cancel it sooner though.
At a certain point you have to wonder if it's just the lack of any kind of military life experience amongst the current writers rooms. TOS TNG had literal veterans working on the show. Star Fleet is an exploration organization, but in a militarized hierarchy.
I haven't watched it, as it sounds like a brutally bad show, but every time I hear about the bridge crew of the Discovery, I can't help but think about how badly the writers needed to watch, re-watch and re-re-watch this scene from TNG
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Its the whole acting versus writing war, its been going on since Shakespeare wrote a play and dressed up some guys as woman and said act like a woman.
But with discovery they really did make some good actors look awful.
It also probably didn't help that most of the actors knew it was the Burnham show and she was super woman, and their roles were basically at the mercy of that.
I mean what's her name the scarred helmsmen, She got screwed by Mike's mutiny, and they could have had a great story line of her being really angry and vindictive, but nah, she forgave Mike in a epsiode. Then they teased that she had PTSD, but then an episode later she basically told the doctor that she was working through it and was fine. And this shows the effect. In the last season, she pretty much wasn't even there, and nobody cared.
Just like that droid woman, they basically made her lawn furniture, and then did a couple of episode storyline, that was so badly done that when she died, the fans shugged like someone had thrown out a old couch.
Green can't act. She's awful. Her facial expressions work was ridiculous. And they built the show around her to the point that in the middle of a battle, Tilly (and she does this) who was in command basically calls a staff meeting to tell everyone she loves them, then says Mike is awesome sauce and should be in command. And then they sent a person that pushed command away to go teach at the academy. I mean what the hell man, did a developmentally disabled version of Chat GPT write this. I mean Tilly takes command of a team, to do a thing, then holds another staff meeting to tell her team she loves them, and oh yeah, there was limited air.
Even the Ship was ugly.
Oh and back to the helms man, the queen of saying stupid shyte when she actually gets a line. When Empress Katana there has left, she goes "She was a bad ass woman who did things her own way" and toasts her. Yup the genocidal maniac who liked to snack down on slaves.
I could write better Trek by randomly hammering a key board, while playing with a model of the enterprise and making motor boat sounds.
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Anson Mount was about it, and so good he got his own show and ship.
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Peck as Spock too.
Yeah, Peck was a good surprise. I thought shoe-horning Spock into that show was stupid, but Peck is good as Spock and...they got the hell outta there ASAP!
Mount and Peck...ugh...come SNW!! Lets get going already! You're killing me with this.
And Section 31 comes out tomorrow?
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