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PsYcNeT · 03-09-2016, 02:48 PM

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https://video-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hv...f3&oe=56E0C2C8

Hey guys, please click this undescribed and poorly linked video from popular forums poster Nobama.

Nobama · 03-09-2016, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Hey guys, please click this undescribed and poorly linked video from popular forums poster Nobama.

Or don't. The decision is all yours

DownInFlames · 03-09-2016, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Hey guys, please click this undescribed and poorly linked video from popular forums poster Nobama.

Do yourself a favour and watch it. It's hilarious.

PsYcNeT · 03-09-2016, 03:07 PM

Yeah I don't click links without descriptions indiscriminately when I'm at work.

Vulcan · 03-09-2016, 03:09 PM

I see Kasich as the alternate old school Republican candidate if it gets to a brokered convention. They don't want Trump or Cruz. Bush was their first choice and now Rubio, but it doesn't look like he can win Florida.

I don't see many Sander's supporters going over to Trump. They are a lot smarter and probably his biggest opponents.

I was reading an article the other day where the author thinks that Trump isn't as rich as he's thought to be. When they've looked at his assets it's almost impossible to figure out what he really owns. He surmised that a lot of his money comes from putting his name on various things where he hasn't invested any money. In other words he's a brand and running for President increases his brand value. In this way he could run as an independent if it's financially in his best interests.

Street Pharmacist · 03-09-2016, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Do yourself a favour and watch it. It's hilarious.

It's not really. Not sure what it is. A bunch of grainy clips of people saying nice things about Trump.

Vulcan · 03-09-2016, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

It's not really. Not sure what it is. A bunch of grainy clips of people saying nice things about Trump.

Yeah, I wasn't going to waste 8 minutes on that crap.

troutman · 03-09-2016, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

It's not really. Not sure what it is. A bunch of grainy clips of people saying nice things about Trump.

Like how he wants to bomb families and torture people?

Street Pharmacist · 03-09-2016, 03:26 PM

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Like how he wants to bomb families and torture people?

No. About how those types of things are just a media creation, and the "real" Trump has "caring in his heart". Also, once people "see his heart they can see he isn't what the media says he is"

calgarygeologist · 03-09-2016, 03:31 PM

Does anyone know if previous candidates, like Bush, can go to the convention with their name on the ballot in the case of a brokered convention? I understand that the Republican Convention is pretty complicated and essentially lawless in that the RNC (or the top brass) can essentially set whatever rules they feel like (such as keeping Ron Paul from getting the nomination in 2012.)

CorsiHockeyLeague · 03-09-2016, 03:59 PM

Jeb Bush you mean? I think they can but they would lose. Once you've dropped out you're pretty much done.

HockeyIlliterate · 03-09-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

I was reading an article the other day where the author thinks that Trump isn't as rich as he's thought to be. When they've looked at his assets it's almost impossible to figure out what he really owns. He surmised that a lot of his money comes from putting his name on various things where he hasn't invested any money. In other words he's a brand and running for President increases his brand value. In this way he could run as an independent if it's financially in his best interests.

Speaking of:

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Trump Doesn't Own Most Of The Products He Pitched Last Night

Despite three more primary and caucus victories on Tuesday, Trump eschewed a traditional victory speech, adding in a press conference — and something else: a table piled high with a veritable Trump-ucopia of Trump-branded products.

"I have very successful companies," the New York billionaire told reporters at the event at Trump National Golf Club Jupiter, in Jupiter, Fla., as raw steaks, bottles of wine and vodka, and magazines stood near the man himself.

In particular, Trump appeared irked about last week's speech by 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney, who declared, "Whatever happened to Trump Airlines? How about Trump University? And then there's Trump magazine and Trump Vodka and Trump Steaks and Trump Mortgage. A business genius he is not."

So what's the backstory of those products Trump pitched as a sign of his success?

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/09/469775...hed-last-night

octothorp · 03-09-2016, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Does anyone know if previous candidates, like Bush, can go to the convention with their name on the ballot in the case of a brokered convention? I understand that the Republican Convention is pretty complicated and essentially lawless in that the RNC (or the top brass) can essentially set whatever rules they feel like (such as keeping Ron Paul from getting the nomination in 2012.)

Yeah, you pretty-much answered your own question: nobody knows for sure! Right now the rule that determines who gets on the ballot is called 40b, and states that a candidate must win a majority of delegates in at least 8 states to win the nomination. It looks right now like only Trump and probably Cruz will meet that threshold, but I'd expect those rules to change.

In fact the rules committee (made up of two delegates from each state) needs to approve a set of rules the week before the convention, and then these rules need to be approved by the delegates at the start of the convention. I've got no idea how the delegates who are on the rules committee are selected (oh hey, looks like it's one of those 'every state makes its own rules' situation), but a scenario where the Rules Committee can't even agree on a set or rules for the convention isn't out of the question.

I expect we'll see a relatively small ballot of eligible candidates on the first round: only Trump, or just Trump/Cruz (but I think you can delegates can declare support for other candidates, it just won't count). But if there are enough abstainees and nobody gets to 50% of the delegates, then I think we'll see a situation where additional candidates get nominated from the floor, where establishment delegates drop their support of Trump once first round requirements are done, and all hell breaks loose.

(I'm essentially a kid on the playground chanting 'fight! fight! fight!' at this point.)

Red Ice Player · 03-09-2016, 05:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePsNcoMNNXc

Please listen to this awesome speech from the awesome Senator Elizabeth Warren, posted today. She gives the Republicans in the Senate both barrels. A future president for sure if there is any justice in this world. It's over 8 minutes long but there are no wasted words.

2Stonedbirds · 03-09-2016, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Slava

I don't follow this as close as many here do, but isn't there still the lingering question of whether Hillary will actually be able to run and not be indicted?

I think an indictment is forthcoming.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ton-grand-jury

A friend of mine living in NY told me the other day (I know, I know) that a grand jury has already been sequestered. I can't find anything about it online, and that was actually one of her gripes, saying you won't hear that important bit of news anywhere.

Take it for what it's worth but I think she's going to be indicted.

2Stonedbirds · 03-09-2016, 07:24 PM

Oooooooo the gloves are coming off tonight!

Street Pharmacist · 03-09-2016, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

I think an indictment is forthcoming.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ton-grand-jury

A friend of mine living in NY told me the other day (I know, I know) that a grand jury has already been sequestered. I can't find anything about it online, and that was actually one of her gripes, saying you won't hear that important bit of news anywhere.

Take it for what it's worth but I think she's going to be indicted.

“There are plenty of unattractive facts but not a lot of clear evidence of criminality, and we tend to forget the distinction,” American University law professor Stephen Vladeck, an expert on prosecutions involving classified information, told me. “This is really just a political firestorm, not a criminal case.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...7b7_story.html

2Stonedbirds · 03-09-2016, 07:35 PM

Street Pharmacist, the FBI also gave her former aid Pagliano immunity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...571_story.html

Maybe she doesn't get indicted, who knows. Lots of speculation at this point but there is plenty of smoke.

Coach · 03-09-2016, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePsNcoMNNXc

Please listen to this awesome speech from the awesome Senator Elizabeth Warren, posted today. She gives the Republicans in the Senate both barrels. A future president for sure if there is any justice in this world. It's over 8 minutes long but there are no wasted words.

Speech is fantastic. Too bad no one is there to hear it. What a joke.

killer_carlson · 03-10-2016, 06:20 AM

Norm McDonald's brother comes in with another well written CBC piece. It's about Republican leadership openly discussing options to ignore the primaries to drop Trump.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-r...nald-1.3483833