Edmonton is No Good XI: Mud, Sweatpants and Tiers

[MisterJoji]

I live in Edmonton so let me tell you, it is not hyperbole that most of their fans think they have a cake walk to a Stanley Cup and will set offensive records with their roster. They never learn. Arvidsson and J. Skinner both have decent offensive numbers because of PP time. When McDrai, Hyman, Nuge and Bouchard get 80% of the PP time their numbers will drop. The D is still extremely weak and S. Skinner is mid at best.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

I live in Edmonton so let me tell you, it is not hyperbole that most of their fans think they have a cake walk to a Stanley Cup and will set offensive records with their roster. They never learn. Arvidsson and J. Skinner both have decent offensive numbers because of PP time. When McDrai, Hyman, Nuge and Bouchard get 80% of the PP time their numbers will drop. The D is still extremely weak and S. Skinner is mid at best.

Skinner has as many PP mins as Tuch and Thompson and more than Cozens

Arvidsson had 58 minutes in 18 games on the PP. Over 3 mins a game.

I really don't see the PP improving. I see these guys either stealing other players minutes or not playing and struggling

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

Congrats on your team winning the cup. Never an easy task

Has anyone in here said that the Flames will be winning the Cup this year? Anyone? Please show me an example. Yet every summer for the last bazillion years, Oiler fans are on this site declaring that this THIS YEAR WILL BE THE OILERS YEAR. It is hilarious.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

Has anyone in here said that the Flames will be winning the Cup this year? Anyone? Please show me an example. Yet every summer for the last bazillion years, Oiler fans are on this site declaring that this THIS YEAR WILL BE THE OILERS YEAR. It is hilarious.

It was Cali, who is a Panthers fan to be fair lol

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

Has anyone in here said that the Flames will be winning the Cup this year? Anyone? Please show me an example. Yet every summer for the last bazillion years, Oiler fans are on this site declaring that this THIS YEAR WILL BE THE OILERS YEAR. It is hilarious.

Look who he was replying to. He wasn't talking about the Flames.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Look who he was replying to. He wasn't talking about the Flames.

No Quarter Given!

[Winsor_Pilates]

Edmonton fans are assuming everything will go right that did this year ++ everything will go right in new additions ++ everything that went wrong for other teams will remain constant.
That simply never happens for any sports team.

Some players will regress, the PK definitely will.
Skinner might regress, might improve?
McDrai might be slightly past their peaks, even if still very good.

Even if Edmonton is exactly the same, Vancouver not having Demko, Boeser and Petterson sucking all playoffs won't be the same.
Colorado having Nichuskin drama mid playoffs won't happen; Dallas might improve, as well as other teams.

Edmonton had the perfect combo of everything right for them, lots wrong for others. It's so delusional to think it's just going to run back like that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Edmonton fans are assuming everything will go right that did this year ++ everything will go right in new additions ++ everything that went wrong for other teams will remain constant.
That simply never happens for any sports team.

Some players will regress, the PK definitely will.
Skinner might regress, might improve?
McDrai might be slightly past their peaks, even if still very good.

Even if Edmonton is exactly the same, Vancouver not having Demko, Boeser and Petterson sucking all playoffs won't be the same.
Colorado having Nichuskin drama mid playoffs won't happen; Dallas might improve, as well as other teams.

Edmonton had the perfect combo of everything right for them, lots wrong for others. It's so delusional to think it's just going to run back like that.

That's why a lot of the winners in the end always say luck plays a part.

The road to the final was probably as easy as it gets for Edmonton.

Injured teams. 3rd string goalie. Heck even Bob fell apart for 3 games in the finals.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That's why a lot of the winners in the end always say luck plays a part.

The road to the final was probably as easy as it gets for Edmonton.

Injured teams. 3rd string goalie. Heck even Bob fell apart for 3 games in the finals.

Not to mention Vancouver and Dallas pulling complete no-shows late in each of those series, Pissy not receiving any discipline for his dirty hit on Barkov… the list goes on.

[chedder]

Good news. Maybe no ltir for Kane. That'll make fitting under the cap harder.

https://x.com/2MuttsHockeyPod/status...8c5pGqLFA&s=19

[memphusk]

Urine.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by chedder

Good news. Maybe no ltir for Kane. That'll make fitting under the cap harder.

https://x.com/2MuttsHockeyPod/status...8c5pGqLFA&s=19

Don’t imagine a single Oiler fan would have the minute amount of intelligence to pick up on that he wants to be “apart” not “a part” of the team.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by chedder

Good news. Maybe no ltir for Kane. That'll make fitting under the cap harder.

https://x.com/2MuttsHockeyPod/status...8c5pGqLFA&s=19

Kulak for no player and Holloway and Broberg for 2.2 Million combined (pushing the RFA payday down the road- strategy worked for Nurse and should for Bouchard) and they can go with 22 players and about 100K breathing room

[Groot]

Originally Posted by looooob

Kulak for no player and Holloway and Broberg for 2.2 Million combined (pushing the RFA payday down the road- strategy worked for Nurse and should for Bouchard) and they can go with 22 players and about 100K breathing room

Who replaces Kulak? And the strategy worked for Nurse and Bouchard? Nurse is the most overpaid dman in the league and Bouchard is about to be massively overpaid In a season. Is Bouchard one of the best defensemen in the league and worth 10 million per year? No. But I guess whatever strategy you're referring to "worked" lol

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

I live in Edmonton so let me tell you, it is not hyperbole that most of their fans think they have a cake walk to a Stanley Cup and will set offensive records with their roster. They never learn. Arvidsson and J. Skinner both have decent offensive numbers because of PP time. When McDrai, Hyman, Nuge and Bouchard get 80% of the PP time their numbers will drop. The D is still extremely weak and S. Skinner is mid at best.

I wouldn't say that is correct.

Skinner was 7th in 5v5 points in the NHL in 22/23.

His scoring rates at 5v5 over the last 3 seasons are 2.59, 3.13, 2.02.

Arvidsson's rates are 2.35, 1.51, 2.1.

Anything over 2 points/60 5v5 is pretty respectable. Of all forwards who played over 800 minutes last year, 82 were above that threshold.

I mean these guys aren't very likely to put up 60+ points for the Oilers due to lack of PP time, but their 5v5 production is solidly top six.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Groot

Who replaces Kulak? And the strategy worked for Nurse and Bouchard? Nurse is the most overpaid dman in the league and Bouchard is about to be massively overpaid In a season. Is Bouchard one of the best defensemen in the league and worth 10 million per year? No. But I guess whatever strategy you're referring to "worked" lol

ok I suppose the strategy worked should have been green text. that's my point- it kicks the can down the road and blows up later


and no-one replaces Kulak, same as what happened with McLeod


their D would be Bouchbomb, Ekholm, Nurse, Ceci, Broberg, Stetcher and that Brown guy they just signed


I didn't say it was a good blueline, but that's their path to cap compliance if Kane starts the season (or move Ceci in lieu of Kulak- I think there might be more 'takers' for Kulak but what do I know)

[McG]

Was the oiler final garbage bag day injury list ever revealed? Asking for a friend.

It’s a miracle that the Kane “wrecked him halfway through the season” hernia has healed…as has his hip.

Prepare for a “hurt at stampede by not wearing boots” and “hip got injured putting at the 19th hole” as we get closer to training camp.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I wouldn't say that is correct.

Skinner was 7th in 5v5 points in the NHL in 22/23.

His scoring rates at 5v5 over the last 3 seasons are 2.59, 3.13, 2.02.

Arvidsson's rates are 2.35, 1.51, 2.1.

Anything over 2 points/60 5v5 is pretty respectable. Of all forwards who played over 800 minutes last year, 82 were above that threshold.

I mean these guys aren't very likely to put up 60+ points for the Oilers due to lack of PP time, but their 5v5 production is solidly top six.

I like Arvidsson more than Skinner I think, agree they are passable top 6 options, the concern- only time will tell if its overblown- is they are both getting older- big drop off year over year for Skinner and Arvidsson was 1.5 2 years ago and then only played 18 games last year

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

I live in Edmonton so let me tell you, it is not hyperbole that most of their fans think they have a cake walk to a Stanley Cup and will set offensive records with their roster. They never learn. Arvidsson and J. Skinner both have decent offensive numbers because of PP time. When McDrai, Hyman, Nuge and Bouchard get 80% of the PP time their numbers will drop. The D is still extremely weak and S. Skinner is mid at best.

I too live in Edmonton, and am a long time seasons ticket holder. Let me tell you that I think those fans exist but amongst the group of fans I talk to and including me I’ve not found a single one that thinks it’s a cake walk to the Stanley Cup. Not saying you aren’t surrounded by them, but my cohort is different. Most of us are a combination of anxious, nervous and excited, think the pacific division title is a realistic goal if healthy and then it’s the playoffs - who the heck knows.

I think it’s been a good offseason, better than I expected. Some aspects of Foegle and Macleod will be missed, but neither were very effective in the top six and there was still a gap there. The forward group is overall better, the pk should still be fine with Nuge, brown and Janmark. The defence - wish there was an upgrade there, one more guy with legitimate skills would be good. One injury away from a bad situation. Goaltending, who knows. Skinner was up and down and his tendency to let in some soft goals is troubling, and they don’t have a great tandem. He needs to play way, way less.

All in all, yeah age may be a concern but I don’t think it hits this year, but could be wrong. I just don’t know, they should be fun for fans of the team to watch, but there’s a pretty good chance of heartache.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

I live in Edmonton so let me tell you, it is not hyperbole that most of their fans think they have a cake walk to a Stanley Cup and will set offensive records with their roster. They never learn. Arvidsson and J. Skinner both have decent offensive numbers because of PP time. When McDrai, Hyman, Nuge and Bouchard get 80% of the PP time their numbers will drop. The D is still extremely weak and S. Skinner is mid at best.

Oh no. Right in the eye of the ####hole.