The ongoing X and Elon Musk Transgressions Thread

[Fuzz]

When asked if Musk is betting that fighting lawsuits will be cheaper than paying bills, attorney Shannon Liss-Riordan told Ars that "it's not really clear what Musk is thinking. He seems to think he's above the law and he can just do whatever he wants. He probably thought that not many people would actually challenge him on what he's doing."


Liss-Riordan isn't involved in the severance lawsuit noted above but has several pending cases against X. She is representing six companies—so far—in a class-action lawsuit alleging that it refused to pay bills. The class-action complaint in US District Court for the Northern District of California points to a Business Insider report that said, "in response to concerns about not paying vendors who provided services to or performed work for Twitter, Musk told Twitter employees, repeatedly, to 'let them sue.'"


A Financial Times article had a similar anecdote. "Elon would always say, 'Let them sue,' it was a constant refrain... It's all very short-term thinking," a former senior staffer reportedly said.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...a-x-to-pay-up/


Careful, business genius at work. Big summary of lawsuits at the link.

[Mr.Coffee]

Since lawsuits take 5 years to figure out, and you can appeal, and eventually settle, I don’t know why the strategy isn’t employed more. You’ll never have to pay what you actually owe and if you’re forced to pay something you save the NPV of that money. And that all assumes you’ll even get sued for it in the first place.

[Roughneck]

I'm no legal expert, but I don't think the lawyers are working for free during the 5 years.


If you're paying millions in legal fees to fight millions in bills where you'll settle for millions, maybe you're banking too much on the 'not getting sued' part?

[Mr.Coffee]

Well, I mean moreso in the context of when you have in-house legal counsel and they can keep a file rolling on the side of their desk without much effort. Sure there would be a theoretical cost but probably outweighed by the potential bill.

I have a practical example of this exact very thing that happened and I am part of a lawsuit as a class but don’t want to get into it, but the strategy “made sense” from a business perspective and I was thinking there were probably lots of other examples like it where you could lean on an inefficient judicial system to lower your obligations.

Greasy? Yes. Immoral? Yes. Would it “work” from a business perspective? Probably.

[jammies]

Once a business gets a reputation of that kind, other businesses will either charge a premium to work with them, or decline to work with them at all. There is also a cost associated with onboarding vendors.

Not paying your bills may work in specific limited instances, but it's no way to run a long-term enterprise.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Well, I mean moreso in the context of when you have in-house legal counsel and they can keep a file rolling on the side of their desk without much effort. Sure there would be a theoretical cost but probably outweighed by the potential bill.

I have a practical example of this exact very thing that happened and I am part of a lawsuit as a class but don’t want to get into it, but the strategy “made sense” from a business perspective and I was thinking there were probably lots of other examples like it where you could lean on an inefficient judicial system to lower your obligations.

Greasy? Yes. Immoral? Yes. Would it “work” from a business perspective? Probably.

In house legal is not who works a lawsuit. They hire outside litigators.

[afc wimbledon]

you lose your lawsuit you also have to pay for the other guys lawyers and those guys, they really pad their bills at that point

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

In house legal is not who works a lawsuit. They hire outside litigators.

True. I think the strategy still holds water but like jammies said probably super contextual. The class I’m a part of, the amount owing various people was $16.5MM US.

The amount settled. 6 years later… $7MM. Could prob pay legal fees pretty easily. I think a lot of big businesses with large bills like that can afford lawyers.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Locke

Lol! That would be better. Look at those doors! And the tire on the hood! Brilliant stuff.

The tire on the hood is great for deflecting drone strikes.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1699489857662525927


Since we are talking dumb Tesla things here...Tesla cars have the charging port at the back left corner. This has allowed Tesla to use very short charging cables on their superchargers. Win on cost savings, right? Well this looks to be too short for the CT. You can see it had to back in biasing the passenger side of the space, and have the hitch basically in contact with the charger to plug it in. Seems like something they should have thought through, maybe had it right on the back corner. But then it might ruin the beautiful lines of this majestic beast.


Also, for a vehicle supposedly having a Q3 launch event, they sure look like they have a lot of testing is going on.

A cybertruck that looks like it can’t reach the charger if the tailgate is down… utterly brilliant.

What the over/under in the total number of Cybertrucks (of this design) that EVER get sold? Given that it’s 50/50 at best in whether they are ever even allowed to be sold, and clearly have chosen form over function at literally every step, if set the over/under at 5000 units.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

A cybertruck that looks like it can’t reach the charger if the tailgate is down… utterly brilliant.

What the over/under in the total number of Cybertrucks (of this design) that EVER get sold? Given that it’s 50/50 at best in whether they are ever even allowed to be sold, and clearly have chosen form over function at literally every step, if set the over/under at 5000 units.

that you choose form over function and still come up with a truck this bog ugly is kind of impressive in of itself

[PsYcNeT]

If anyone wants to enjoy a less garbage filled platform with some weird quirks (why do we see so many replies but not original threads???) I have 4 1 BlueSky codes if you want to DM me for em.

[Fuzz]

Big pic

Spoiler!

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com...eat-look.9231/


Some pics of a crash tested one. Musk has bragged about the "super tough stainless steel exoskeleton" but what I notice is the piece along the windshield that looks like a stainless sticker. I wonder how long before they start peeling away and looking all wavy.

[PepsiFree]

Don’t you want a vehicle to crumple in a collision so that you avoid all of the force going into the body of the driver/passengers?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Don’t you want a vehicle to crumple in a collision so that you avoid all of the force going into the body of the driver/passengers?

Not when it is rolling over or you end up with crumpled heads and necks.

[Fuzz]

That was from a ditch rollover test, not an impact one. Looks like it did fine for that.

[PepsiFree]

I admittedly did not read the article

[Fuzz]

There was no article, it's from the Cybernerd forum, but the truck had a sticker on it saying "ditch rollover test".

[PepsiFree]

I admittedly did not click the link at all

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I admittedly did not click the link at all

Be better.