This is a rebuild

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Pockets18

Somebody having a different opinion means they're a miserable person? okay then.

Hackey has a long history of having whatever opinion makes the Flames look worst.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Hackey has a long history of having whatever opinion makes the Flames look worst.

Also a lot of assumptions based on rumours that people are assuming are 100% true but at what point do we look at all the UFA's we tried to sign but fail to sign as potentially low ball offers to go in a different diretion?

Even if you are rebuilding, if you get guys to commit to team friendly cap hits it is never a bad idea, rebuild or no rebuild. Conroy makes offers and the players ask out (Zadorov and Toffoli claim no offers)

Tanev, Lindholm, Hanifin, Toffoli, Kylington, Zadorov all at some point said they would stay and all asked to be traded or test the market after their offers or lack of offers from Conroy.

Players were traded around draft day, Conroy picked all his picks

Traded players who aren't UFAs

Said he would take on bad contracts for the right price.

Seems like a plan to me, but he is not tipping off the media to what his plan is but it's all pointing in one direction.

Some just want him to come out and say it "yeah we are rebuilding".

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Pockets18

Somebody having a different opinion means they're a miserable person? okay then.

I have been following the day-to-day of this team for over 20 years - if you can’t be at least pleasantly optimistic about what they did this week, You are going out of your way to be miserable.

Zayne Parekh’s NHLe this year was 35. Quinn Hughes’ was 36 in his D+1 season.

If you can’t be happy getting Canadian Quinn Hughes at 9, plus two other 1st round rated talents, without having to trade up to do so, nothing they do will ever be good enough, short of drafting the next McDavid.

Which you would likely be too cynical and jaded to enjoy anyway.

Don’t get it twisted - this is one of the best weekends this franchise has had in 30 years.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I have been following the day-to-day of this team for over 20 years - if you can’t be at least pleasantly optimistic about what they did this week, You are going out of your way to be miserable.

Zayne Parekh’s NHLe this year was 35. Quinn Hughes’ was 36 in his D+1 season.

If you can’t be happy getting Canadian Quinn Hughes at 9, plus two other 1st round rated talents, without having to trade up to do so, nothing they do will ever be good enough, short of drafting the next McDavid.

Which you would likely be too cynical and jaded to enjoy anyway.

Don’t get it twisted - this is one of the best weekends this franchise has had in 30 years.

Who is unhappy about Parekh or what they did this weekend?

[Fan69]

Mentioned in another post that we quietly added another first and second to our stockpile. I see another two players at least being traded by deadline in one if kuzmenko, Anderson, sharangovich, backs if the team is on fire may want to chase a cup. To me the state if the team is still very much in flux.

We are barren at center except for kadri at the end if next year, however in less than two years the defensive depth has been completely turned around, i think we have good depth in net for young goalkeepers and the wing is now loaded, so i would be willing to bet by the next draft our center depth will look entirely different again.

Not sure how anyone can look at the last year and quite frankly not be astonished and pleased with how quickly things have changed for the better.

I mean let’s be real. Our prospect pool is good if not very good after this draft. We have multiple picks still coming in the next two drafts and possibly more by trade deadline.

Couple if high end center prospects to what we have i think we look pretty damn good.

[Goriders]

If they don’t spend any of their cap space in free agency and the rumours about Kadri and Kylington are true I can see the Flames easily being one of the worst teams in the NHL. Maybe the worst Flames team in the 25 years I have cheered for them.

[Rhett44]

This is exactly what we have been asking them to do (a large portion of the fan base). This might have been one of the best weeks in a long time in Flames history.

The Oilers lost the cup. The Flames drafted 10 players, including some with elite potential. They did not trade picks to go all in for someone to help win now.

Conroy has done a fantastic job so far. And today is the most optimistic I have been about the Flames in years. I know it will take a few years to start to see these drafts pay off, but this is a great time for Flames fans.

And going into the season, they either play horrible and we get a top pick to get another elite player next year. Or a bunch of young players play above expectations and we can't be mad if that happens either.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

This is exactly what we have been asking them to do (a large portion of the fan base). This might have been one of the best weeks in a long time in Flames history.

The Oilers lost the cup. The Flames drafted 10 players, including some with elite potential. They did not trade picks to go all in for someone to help win now.

Conroy has done a fantastic job so far. And today is the most optimistic I have been about the Flames in years. I know it will take a few years to start to see these drafts pay off, but this is a great time for Flames fans.

And going into the season, they either play horrible and we get a top pick to get another elite player next year. Or a bunch of young players play above expectations and we can't be mad if that happens either.

Great thing about our situation. If a couple of zary, stromgren, coronato, klpaka, wolf, miromanov, Pelletier, poirier, parehk, basha exceed expectations it just means we have a pile of young nhl talent driving the base of our team. With multiple first and seconds in the next two drafts we Will continue to pump talent into the team.

If the struggle or have injuries we pick top five in a deep draft. Profit.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Mentioned in another post that we quietly added another first and second to our stockpile. I see another two players at least being traded by deadline in one if kuzmenko, Anderson, sharangovich, backs if the team is on fire may want to chase a cup. To me the state if the team is still very much in flux.

We are barren at center except for kadri at the end if next year, however in less than two years the defensive depth has been completely turned around, i think we have good depth in net for young goalkeepers and the wing is now loaded, so i would be willing to bet by the next draft our center depth will look entirely different again.

Not sure how anyone can look at the last year and quite frankly not be astonished and pleased with how quickly things have changed for the better.

I mean let’s be real. Our prospect pool is good if not very good after this draft. We have multiple picks still coming in the next two drafts and possibly more by trade deadline.

Couple if high end center prospects to what we have i think we look pretty damn good.

All they’re really missing now are the centres.

Basha-X-Coronato
Honzek-X-Gridin
Suniev-Zary-Stromgren
Hoskin-Misa-Laing

Morin-Parekh
Poirier-Brusty
Grushnikov-Kuznetzov

Wolf
Yegorov
Ignatjew

They won’t all play of course, but add another two or three top picks at centre to that?

They don’t have to be bad forever.

They could get really good in a hurry.

[Goriders]

I figured Mangiapane was a guy with a target on his back. He was actually one of our higher paid players. With very inconsistent output.

It looks like the Flames are taking some gambles on young players. But they had to.

Markstrom for wolf
Mangiapane for coronato

I don’t disagree with much that conman has done. The only one that I hoped would resign was Hanifin.

Hopefully Kadri and Kylington rumours aren’t true and they stick around. We need some good players. It’s great to get early picks. But not great to change the culture to one of being a doormat.

Still think they could use a center and a 3/4 dman in free agency. Especially if Kylington is gonzo.

[iggy_oi]

How many other teams are realistically in tank mode going into next season?

Chicago and San Jose are the only ones that really come to mind with most of the other bottom feeders from last season on more of an upward trajectory.

Rebuilds are never fun but timing wise I think the flames have really lucked out here. A couple of consecutive top 3 picks should set us up nicely going forward.

[Jason14h]

I don’t think Chicago is in tank mode anymore .

[iggy_oi]

Unless they upgrade their goaltending I don’t see them improving that much over last season. But if they do it’s great for the flames.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Also a lot of assumptions based on rumours that people are assuming are 100% true but at what point do we look at all the UFA's we tried to sign but fail to sign as potentially low ball offers to go in a different diretion?

Even if you are rebuilding, if you get guys to commit to team friendly cap hits it is never a bad idea, rebuild or no rebuild. Conroy makes offers and the players ask out (Zadorov and Toffoli claim no offers)

Tanev, Lindholm, Hanifin, Toffoli, Kylington, Zadorov all at some point said they would stay and all asked to be traded or test the market after their offers or lack of offers from Conroy.

Players were traded around draft day, Conroy picked all his picks

Traded players who aren't UFAs

Said he would take on bad contracts for the right price.

Seems like a plan to me, but he is not tipping off the media to what his plan is but it's all pointing in one direction.

Some just want him to come out and say it "yeah we are rebuilding".

I actually think the only one he was serious in signing was Hanifin.

I believe he knew Lindholms ask and was never going to match it or come close. He even alluded to it in interviews. He had a number and he was not going to move from it.

I think he just tells people who don’t want a rebuild what they want to hear while tearing down the team lol.

Listen to his pre draft interview. He said I don’t want a losing culture what else am I supposed to say to these guys? Go out and lose ?

He even said it’s a 3-5 year process. Being patient. I think the majority of people understand we have to suck to be great.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I actually think the only one he was serious in signing was Hanifin.

I believe he knew Lindholms ask and was never going to match it or come close. He even alluded to it in interviews. He had a number and he was not going to move from it.

I think he just tells people who don’t want a rebuild what they want to hear while tearing down the team lol.

Listen to his pre draft interview. He said I don’t want a losing culture what else am I supposed to say to these guys? Go out and lose ?

He even said it’s a 3-5 year process. Being patient. I think the majority of people understand we have to suck to be great.

No way all these guys did not want to stay. Team was battling for playoffs. For the right offer he should have been able to sign some of them

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

No way all these guys did not want to stay. Team was battling for playoffs. For the right offer he should have been able to sign some of them

As soon as the two best players on the team abandoned ship after a trip to the second round, any chance of the old “core” sticking around went with them.

But as you say, for the right offer he should’ve been able to sign one of them or some of them.

That he wasn’t/didn’t tells you about the sort of offers he was making, as well as the desire of all these UFAs to remain on a bottom-5 roster.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

As soon as the two best players on the team abandoned ship after a trip to the second round, any chance of the old “core” sticking around went with them.

But as you say, for the right offer he should’ve been able to sign one of them or some of them.

That he wasn’t/didn’t tells you about the sort of offers he was making, as well as the desire of all these UFAs to remain on a bottom-5 roster.

They missed the playoffs by a point though. Toffoli has a career year. I bet he could have kept it together but never really thought that was the best route. Only way it made sense is team friendly deals on his terms or see ya later. He knew it wouldn’t work without lower cap hits from all and probably knew none would be happy with his offers

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Also a lot of assumptions based on rumours that people are assuming are 100% true but at what point do we look at all the UFA's we tried to sign but fail to sign as potentially low ball offers to go in a different diretion?

Even if you are rebuilding, if you get guys to commit to team friendly cap hits it is never a bad idea, rebuild or no rebuild. Conroy makes offers and the players ask out (Zadorov and Toffoli claim no offers)

Tanev, Lindholm, Hanifin, Toffoli, Kylington, Zadorov all at some point said they would stay and all asked to be traded or test the market after their offers or lack of offers from Conroy.

Players were traded around draft day, Conroy picked all his picks

Traded players who aren't UFAs

Said he would take on bad contracts for the right price.

Seems like a plan to me, but he is not tipping off the media to what his plan is but it's all pointing in one direction.

Some just want him to come out and say it "yeah we are rebuilding".

Short of the Flames sending a letter to the Calgary Herald, a-la New York Rangers, some might not be able to connect the dots.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Unless they upgrade their goaltending I don’t see them improving that much over last season. But if they do it’s great for the flames.

Wasn’t Mracek quite good last year? At least for a really bad team?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Short of the Flames sending a letter to the Calgary Herald, a-la New York Rangers, some might not be able to connect the dots.

Ironically, in that letter they never said rebuild either, they said reshaping the roster.